Ben91

Personal abuse is name calling and derogatory remarks about someone, not commenting on a post, that is perfectly fine, just a note Malcolm, I am such a bad person and personal abuser, yet my posts have not been edited due to personal abuse, why? Because I am playing by the rules. Posts made by many others here have highlighted the arrogance shown in your postings, yet you can level that accusation at other users unflinchingly. Apologies to those who were commenting on the actual topic here, as I was myself, it seems yet another thread has been lowered into the realms of personal abuse, this time by the team in question's own team manager!

Did they give you the thesaurus free with membership to the moral high ground? You'd make a good politician Malcolm, you are great at dodging questions. My simple question to you was are you or are you not the man who puts the team together at Stoke? Simple enough question which you have managed to esculate with pompous jibes at real speedway fans who work their a***s off all week, every week to watch their speedway side and have every right to post what they want to say, not what you want to hear on this forum. May I remind you that you are an ambassador of Stoke speedway and the way you have conducted yourself on this thread is arrogant, bordering abusive and down right rude. I'm guessing that is how you want fans to see Stoke speedway?

I attack posts, not posters, whilst my views on riders are based solely on their riding, not personal lives, a spade is a spade in my book and if a rider, team manger or even promoter struggle to understand that then they shouldn't be on the forum, criticism from fans happens in all sports, not just speedway and it is up to those involved to deal with it. If you don't like it then the forum is the wrong place to be. I'm not breaking any rules. It's funny how I apparently attack other human beings, yet it is perfectly acceptable for you to make derogatory remarks about myself and other posters?

Sorry I was supposed to type appeal, however my phones predictive typing assumed I was writing approval :s I'm sure Scunthorpe will appeal as this could effect the outcome of the league title. Although I am a Rye fan, Tyson was ineligible so the right thing should be done in the interest of the sport.

I believe only the Rye press release has been released and generally Rye's press releases are quite sketchy. If this is subject to a Scunthorpe approval, we could be waiting a long time, remember the Ipswich v Swindon saga a year or so back regarding Joel parsons riding, as far as I recall that situation was never resolved even though it happened early in the season!

Inflexible? Arrogance? I have my own opinion and if I believe in that then I will not change it just to please others, too many people are sheep here. Of course, yet again you are not acknowledging the whole post I have made, I'll put it below for clarity, the bit in bold is the important part... I'll make this clear Malcolm, your position of team manager does not place you on a higher ground than any other poster on this forum, neither does it factor into what I say to you in my posts, be it good or bad, the forum is for debate, unfortunately recently this has descended into personal abuse from most posters here, whilst others are just yes men to those who have any kind of connection to the sport than being a supporter. I tell things how I see them and that won't change for anyone or anything.

I understand the situation, I was present at the meeting. The problem here is the arguments will just bounce backwards and forwards, I have no issue with the discussion, just the level of personal abuse which has seemingly become the norm on this forum recently. Considering the amount of posts made by members here in recent times on a range of subjects which could improve British speedway, none of which have come to fruition, I doubt this thread will be taken in to consideration at any form of enquiry on the meeting unfortunately.

Malcolm you have not read my post correctly, it was not a dig at you and Dave Tattum does have the final say on team affairs as promoter, am I right? It's funny how you are polite to everyone, however recently I sent you a pm to ask you a few questions regarding the National League, something on which I feel you are the best authority, yet I did not even recieved a courtious reply... You may well be Stoke team manager, however I regard you as another poster here, that does not change my opinion of you as a team manager/promoter, but I will not brown nose you like some other members on here do to yourself and others who are involved with clubs. As for meeting you face to face I have no problem with that, I am passionate about the sport and to discuss it with someone just as passionate would be a pleasure. I state things as they are, I don't think Lubos Tomicek is a good signing and I am perfectly within my rights to say that. It does not mean I have a negative attitude or a problem with lubos and Stoke, in fact ihighly rated the Potters this season before your misfortunes, which have been a shame as I do like the club and you deserve to do well. Maybe my respect has been misplaced.

I see yet another thread on this forum (this board in particular recently) has descended into abuse and borderline racism, what a fine way to show support for the riders and to keep people reading the forum. The fall out from this incident is simple. Rye have been told Tyson cannot race anymore although we can keep the points he has scored for now, thats as far as it should go. If the points are deducted in the long run fine, but until then this thread should be put to bed, rather than all the abuse which is just going round in a vicious circle with no sign of an end.

It's likely Jason will miss the rest of this campaign, so I guess you mean 2011 then Rob? Dave Tattum puts the team together too, he is the promoter, Malcolm is just team manager, whilst i'm sure he does have a say, Tattum is the man with the chequebook.

We are nearly half way through July, it is highly unlikely another 9 point rider is going to appear out of the blue in the next two weeks. Pot called the kettle black.

I see your point, however the dearth of number 1 riders will still be there when Lubos' gets his new average so you will find yourself trying to replace a lower end rider with a top rider still. You are currently under the 42.5 limit, so replacing two riders, say Stichaer (he was on the way out earlier on in the year supposedly) and Tomicek, plus the points you are under the limit by now gives you 15.15 to play with, you can bring in two riders around 7 points each or a 10 point man and a rider to fill the lower end gap. There may not be many riders on nine point averages, howerer there are plenty I can think of on 10 points.

As I have said previously, the points you lose from Lubos will be used presumably to bring in a 8/9 point man for a lower order rider, so why waste time with a 4 pointer at number 1, when you could bring in a heatleader who can hold their figure now? Yes, you have had a tough time, however it was a pretty wide spread opinion pre-season your team would fly or flop, unfortunately it has been the latter.

Try telling Tsunami that Even if he is averaging 6 for you thats still dropping 3 points from his average and the figure he gains as a Green Sheet average will be combined with Somerset meetings. If signing a nine point man and hoping he averages six is what Stoke want, things must be pretty grim for you this season.

Lubos' average from 10 PL meetings this season is 4.09. It's all about the facts as Tsunami keeps saying, and that figure is a fact. He has dropped more than half his average.

I agree Scribbler, if he isn't eligible then we should be punished, rightly so. As it stands there is no evidence to say whether or not Tyson could ride, however what is certain is if any money has changed hands and Tyson was ineligible then Lens problems will be coming from higher up than the Bspa/scb.

not having a go at all, I can think of three times Tomicek has been discussed by myself, twice on threads relating to him, here and when he signed for Somerset as well as a third thread in which I made a general comment on that subject, to which you replied with a petulant remark regarding Tomicek thus that 'conversation' began. You can throw words and insults around all you want Tsunami, you are the one coming across childish here yet again. I don't give a damn about Tomiceks personal life, that's not my business, what he does on a speedway track, however I can say whatever I bloody well like about. You talk about impartiality yet your own views are not neutral, you are contradicting yourself. Maybe if you gave a reasoned argument rather than patronising and name calling then I'd take you seriously. You clearly wanted to start an argument with myself and or Najjer on this thread Tsunami, the quote below is the spark which lit the fuse, to use an analogy.

I just thought I'd sink to your level cast out the line and your sure to get a bite as they say... Teams should be signing riders to improve. If Tomicek drops to say 6, they will probably replace a lower order rider with a 8/9 point man, why struggle with a poor number one til he gets a new average when you could by pass it and bring in a heatleader straight away? Just because Tomicek once rode for the Diamonds you don't need to jump on the case every time someone states their opinion that he's not a 9 point pl rider, I'll say what I like about speedway here, because that is what this website is for. It's a sad state of affairs when you can't post an opinion here without someone jumping down your throat and trying to belittle you, I thought this was the speedway forum.

Have they been told to move the bouncy castle from where it is presently degrading and put it round the concrete wall? All joking aside, i'm hoping to be present at this one, hopefully the track is prepared to give us some good racing.

Because we realise Tomicek is a terrible signing on a near 9 point average? Ironic someone advising us to grow up and then name calling like a five year old. Think I should hand over to Najjer for the facepalm moment there

In my opinion, the only worthwile part of an F1 GP is the first lap and the last lap. Most of the passing inbetween is generally through pit stops, retirements and the occasional driver error. Maybe that's where speedway is going wrong, there's not too much excitement with F1 so when it does happen, the fans enjoy it more. I propose speedway races are lengthened to 50 laps each, riders can give their all for the first lap and the final lap, however the other 48 they have to to processionally trail round, of course pit stops for re-fuelling and tyre changes will take place and be the main cause of over taking.

Very true, there would still be a home rider to support at Cardiff in the form of the wildcard too. Whilst the two British spots are not officially guarenteed, we clearly get two spots a year just for the purposes of Cardiff and Sky TV.

British speedway is slipping no doubt. We are behind, Poland, Australia, Denmark, Sweden and Russia, whilst slipping even further is always a possibility. Looking through the posts here, Ladyluck's regarding Sweden being in a similar position to us is something I do not agree with, Sweden are still bringing through some brilliant young riders, whilst our best youngsters at the moment will only be 5/6 point Elite League riders in the future in my opinion. Riders like Tomas Jonasson and Linus Sundstrom, I can see challenging for world titles in future, Craig Cook, Josh Auty and Ben Barker, I can't see any of them getting into the GP's at all to be perfectly honest. Thats nothing personal against them, just my view. The next breakthrough British rider in my opinion will be Marc Owen, if he steers clear of injury and keeps focussed on the sport, which i'm sure he can, then he can go all the way to the top. Riders like Marc are natural talents, Marc could have been born in any country and he'd still be a fantastic speedway rider, other countries, who have the facilities to train wherever and whenever they want seemingly can manufacture brilliant riders who would perhaps have only been of an average standard without the training they have been given.

I feel the Management Commitee would prefer to lose a NL team to the PL over an EL side. Plymouth seem to have been planning to step up since 2007, however if it is not right for the club, having a team in the NL is better than no team at all of course. If there was to be more requests to join the PL then the Trophy would presumably be culled, then of course we are heading down the route of having one big league, whilst the National League would continue for junior and stand alone teams who do not wish to step up. The main problem at all levels of speedway is there are pockets of clubs who want different things and different levels of rider etc, these pockets are too small to create smaller divisions, so the three we have at the moment is the best option. Anyway, that's my view, seems we have veered off topic a little at least we aren't all arguing

That's perfectly acceptable Scribbler, as I have said previously, I'm concerned we may be developing a rider for a PL rider and also the fact that a fine win may be ruined because Tyson may not have actually been allowed to ride.