IronScorpion

If you mean average manipulation.........................it doesn't matter. It's the KO Cup

Who has issued the ban? The SCB, BSPA or Eastbourne?

18 points behind with the usual points deficit in heats 13 & 15 would mean we would have to be about 25 in front before heat 13 which has happened once this year against Workington in the double header. On our fair but entertaining track, NOT A CHANCE!

It depends if you want to believe it! quote Tero Aarnio is unavailable on Friday, since he is riding in his re-staged national championships back in his native Finland. He will be replaced by Newcastle’s Ashley Morris, who put in plenty of effort in a brief spell with Scorpions early in 2016. It is NOW the end of the 2017 season & this year Morris has scored 3pts from 8 rides in 2 visits for Newcastle.

There are now a few riders that are picking their nights/teams for riding. Holder & R Lambert are 2 more that come to mind for criticism. But, talent or not, what can you do as that is why you sign these riders, for improvement. If other teams like this then they will prioritise when they are racing but there is nothing that can be done with the rules we have in place at the moment. If riders pull out within 24 hours of a meeting then they should be barred from racing for 48 hours. If it is for sickness then this could be passed on if viral. If it is through injury then similar as the injury could flare up but not fully settle & if racing within 24 hours could put themselves and/or other riders in jeopardy.

Thank you r&r for putting me right as you are a hive of informative & correct posts. I did not know about U21's being on Friday as just going by noodles post

Not a problem in not being able to see a prime donna in Holder, though arranging the meeting for Friday, you must have known he was missing due to U21 Final! I thought cover was 24hrs either side of meeting(Sunday) but practice probably comes in to it, also. R Worrall is a very capable guest scoring 13 from 5 deputising for Masters a few weeks back.

On current form & return from injury, I would go with Richard, r/r, Dan, Aaron, Richie, James & Alfie for the good of the team. I think Sheffield, though, have done enough in the 1st leg & with confidence from winning up at Glasgow recently.

part of quote I watched the last F1 race late Monday and I still cheered when Vettel turned left. [Whoops, now I've opened another can of worms Which turn left do you mean? The one taking out Max or the one almost taking out Lewis a few seconds later. He knows what he is doing & gets away with it. He got away with the earlier one when he expected Lewis to accelerate from a corner on a re-start then accused him of brake testing him.

What is the weather forecast so we can give the Panthers supporters(those that travel to away meetings & not just the home meetings or internet supporters) plenty of notice. A couple have now gone to silent mode since the early call off due to an "iffy" forecast. Me, I would treat them the same.................go into silent mode & let them travel without knowing the weather up here.

Forecast of showers 4pm/5pm then cloudy https://www.accuweather.com/en/gb/scunthorpe/dn16-1/hourly-weather-forecast/329904?hour=18 Rainfall radar has rain at 5pm https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/public/weather/forecast/map/gcx8c5kxh#?map=Rainfall&fcTime=1506052800 and it is here now. Panthers fans, by all means you could have set off at between 4 & 5 as it is 2 hours away up the A1 or A15, got to about 20-25 miles away & it starts raining. What would you do? Take a chance & carry on? As has been posted, we took a chance last week, waited around 1hr 20min for racing to start so we could be used to wet conditions. If we raced and were 40-20 up by heat 10 & drizzle started falling making the racing more difficult, what would be the decision of your riders & management then after what happened in the first attempt back in June.

Phil Griffin was doing a lot of pointing about on bends 3 & 4 to Craig Cook & later MPT(not our captain) followed Phil across the green & start line & seemed very animated, pointing the finger so I don't think all were agreeable with Phil Griffins decision. Possible fines & bans could have followed. You saw in the 1st heat what Cook thought!

I was just trying to point out, as I did back in June, that a track can look ok to race on. Now we have 2 different referees at 2 different times of the season giving 2 different views. Don't forget, we are the supporters & not the riders so we can only give our opinions.

There were probably a couple of reasons for a sparse attendance........................10 losses is one, even if entertainment is normally in abundance at the EWR, winning keeps the smiles on faces & probably two, 2 meetings in a week as more, might, attend Friday. The few(approximate of 250-280 by a friends head count) were the hard core with the few leaving early being with young children or more mature. After all, the time taken to run the meeting was like a double header.

taken from the Scunthorpe v Peterborough KOC meeting in June A few of us spoke to Peter Clarke, the referee, after & he said while the track looked good, in fact it was still greasy on the inside & grippy on the outside. There was, also, the risk of the track breaking up. The safety concern was that if a rider had spun & a following had been filled in & could not see properly, there could have been an accident, potentially a bad one.

There are a couple more teams with a very heavy home advantage. Wolverhampton, Edinburgh & Newcastle are 3 that would get big home wins so the aggregate point was easier to get. I agree with home wins still getting 3points but at the start of the season, it was stated that the make up of teams was to give the meetings result in doubt until heats 14 or 15. So why does the home team get nothing for a tight result. Surely 1point should be given for a loss between 1-6points or what's the point! Make your team strong at home & get the result decided by heats 10 or 11.

With Jenga apparently suffering from a lack of sleep often posting in the early hours & now has an eyesight problem as he cannot see the post started by Lucifer sam further down the page http://www.speedway-forum.co.uk/forums/index.php?showtopic=85298 With the sudden & unexpected rainfall pre meeting, then track work to make it look like racing could be done made me think back to early season when a meeting was called off even though the track, again, looked good after remedial work, but was soft & slushy underneath. But, credit to Phil Griffin, the referee who said it was good to go. Cookie, in heat 1, presumably did the same as Sarjeant did the previous night & deliberately rode through the tapes showing no interest in racing, going off 15m & giving up exiting bend 4 of the 1st lap. Credit to Campton, Williamson & Sarj for giving it a go. Even Proctor decided he did not want to ride & did not appear in heat 10. Once the first few races had passed, riders decided to have a go, Cook included for two & a half laps of heat 5 & was that far in front he could ease up for the rest of the race. Note though with one poster saying Cook saving himself for the bigger meeting tonight having no injury problems. Isn't that just what Lambert has been doing, being injured & still carrying the effects of them, proving he cannot race on successive days. Also, having medical certificates to prove this, resting on a £200 pay day individual meeting to ride for probably £1500+ the following day in Poland.

Plenty of extra rides for our lads with guest appearances this week. Hope Lewis sorts his engine problems out after the double header Thursday at Sheffield. Auty doing well in PLRC at Manchester

The meeting took a while because of who the ref was, renown for holding the tapes a while!!!!!!! Heat 3, as stated, he has not actually started the race so becomes a frustrated ride & does not count. Heat 5 becomes his 1st ride Heat 9, as I see it, is that he will only have 3 programmed rides so the only option is -15m Heat 12 is the same as heat 9. Note; I have read the updates & know about the injury to Smith's subsequent visit to the hospital.

Which should have been re-branded to European League Winners as it contains teams who finish 2nd,3rd or 4th in their respective leagues just to appease TV & Sponsors

If you want Friday racing back, as quite a few posters prefer, then no excuses for non attendance on the 22nd even if too many losses have reduced the attendance this last few weeks. Show your support for the team & Friday night racing by being there. NO SUPPORT - NO FRIDAY NIGHT RACING

I will start this now as promoters are, probably, pencilling names for next year as they will have an idea about the subjects that will be talked about at the AGM normally in November. Moving back to a Friday night for racing might mean more riders available that ride in foreign leagues. A no1 type rider of the calibre of Morris, S Worrall or Bellego Riders that can gate as our track has become too easy to ride since it was re laid 3-4 years ago. Riders that can ride small tracks well. Bellego............. rides abroad on Sundays as, I think, does Worrall depending on date clashes TJ......................even though he said in last weeks SS that his engines are now sorted & would happily return to Worky Kerr................... I have liked him a lot even though he might move back to Newcastle with Lambert saying we is not doing Championship next year Lyager...............we gave him his 1st chance in British Speedway & would hope he would come back to finish the job Nielsen..............we gave him his chance this year when others would not. Again, come back to finish the job Allen..................we gave him the chance to ride more plus he would not get a true average but a converted PL Bailey, Bickley, Brennan, Thomas.....Bailey last chance but others could have a chance in 2nd year of racing. I have not gone by averages but these are the type of riders to go for in 2018. Wallner would be welcome back, also, on a 4

Think that should be in a different thread http://www.speedway-forum.co.uk/forums/index.php?showtopic=85293

I tend to agree with the top team being the League Champions as it covers the whole season including team changes. At the end of the season then have a top 4 play off with teams 1-7 settled to be Premiership Winners & Championship winners. What is the point of play offs for promotion & relegation when there are rumours of Kings Lynn dropping down because of the many fiascos at the club. There are, also, the rumours of the North/South divide with Ipswich mentioning a move back up. Their is, also, talk of Lakeside moving up so teams will still move in & out of divisions from year to year as & when it suits. When it was brought in at the last AGM, surely, it was based on being a long term proposal & not short term(1 year). On another note, I saw the 2nd leg of the Ekstraliga Semi Final on you tube yesterday of Gorzow v Wroclaw & not noticing it before, how the riders stay still at the tapes. In heat 14 a rider moved, did not touch the tapes & was excluded. I LIKE IT! No messing around, no reserve replacement, no 15m thus possible gate change. Just straight forward MOVE AND YOUR OUT.

Very difficult conditions for the riders to ride in with heat times some 6 seconds slower than normal. Rob said it was a meeting of 2 halves & he hit the nail on the head, gating. The first half of the meeting, once you had gated or in front exiting bend 2 that was it, filling in everyone behind. The 2nd half, Edinburgh gated & couldn't be caught resulting in some riders giving up either from bike getting filled in, thus not performing or riders getting filled in thus not seeing where they were going. The attendance looked poor, maybe due to the weather forecast but another loss does not bode well for next Sunday or for the, hopeful, increase the following Friday. Having, basically, 4 heat leaders that can't average 7 shows our inconsistency this season with Wilko, as he put it in the SS this week, the scapegoat. He rode to his 5-6 point average expected of him & it is the top 1-4 that should carry the blame, or part of it. What a home debut for Allen, hats off young man to perform manoeuvres like he did especially in heat 8 when he rode the outside into bend 3, cutback at the apex, straighten the bike up, got the speed straight away to pass Pickering was a scene I have not seen for a very long while. Kenni Larsen did a similar move back in '09 or '10 showing excellent bike control. You see similar cutbacks from Tai in the GP's when he is in gates 3 or 4, cannot get round the outside so cuts back entering bend 1 at the start of races. Good to see bike & throttle control.