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Breathtaking hypocrisy.... Those involved with Wimbledon 2002-'05 always knew there there was massive jealousy and resentment from the Speedway establishment and your attitude over this simply backs this up... BTW, I actually filled in a typed race card sheet kindly produced by BobC at the meeting itself and only got round to transcribing the results onto the actual race card in the prog. last night. And I have to say that the prog. was VERY inadequate in numerous respects. IMHO trying to squeeze all that was needed onto two pages was the problem: thus no space for sub riders or changes, no space for Pair Team names and amazingly no space even for helmet colours. Also odd that the helmet colour order of the pair changed through the meeting...: that wouldn't normally happen, surely and it was this, I believe, caused the most confusion in the pits... How any first-timers would've followed the scoring without the usual simple aid of helmet colours on the race card I've no idea.... Can ANYONE recall a Speedway race card which before (1) omitted the helmet colours and (2) failed to list the riders in the order of Red, Blue, Green (or previously white) and Yellow..?? I wonder actually if this breached rules over race cards in the regs...??? I am intrigued how much we'd have been slaughtered at Wimbledon if we'd produced such an abortion of a race card.... Oh and as a matter of info. should you be writing prog. notes again for a Weymouth visit, Buzz is 45 years old not 43...!!!

Hmm, a very pompous outburst considering all I’d suggested (in fairly jovial style..) was that, all things considered, you might have to eat humble pie over the mistakes in the Pairs meeting programme. Of course, you’re legendary for never admitting to doing anything wrong, Bryn but this is actually not a personal matter (though you seem to want to make it one…). It’s just that, as you know, you slaughtered the good name of the then Wimbledon promotion for ONE tiny mistake in the 2005 CL Pairs programme. These criticisms have been picked up in two books, Malcolm’s excellent history of the CL series and in one of Jeff Scott’s tomes. Yes, that was one tiny mistake in one heat, folks… So imagine my surprise when I find that the IoW-staging of effectively the same event has a programme which contains several mistakes relating to gate positions (and has been pointed out...) uniquely contained no helmet colours at all.. I understand there was huge confusion in the pits over these errors – several riders have commented, I know, on how off-putting this state of confusion was… Now there's no way I'd be bothered normally to point out these errors in the IoW prog. (others brought them up first on here, BTW...) but when push comes to shove, the vicious attacks on the 2005 Pairs prog. have continued unabated and did considerable harm at the time to the standing of the promotion at a very difficult time for the Wimbledon club; and yet now we find that, lo and behold, the infallible Mr. Williams has made mistakes of a similar nature (except this time there were a lot more of them!) in the 2009 Pairs prog.!! I'd have thought you could at least acknowledge the irony of the situation.. But seems not...

Can anyone confirm that 19 September does remain accurate as the date of the Northside-staged round..? And a start-time for this meeting please..?

Perhaps with KL and a further IoW meeting you've not had a chance to get on the Forum since Tuesday's debacle with your prog, Bryn...: wouldn't want people to think you're ducking out of apologising, so have posted again to remind you..

Had the chance....

Ah, that was the moment you got "your money out" as you saw the bus heading back to the ferry safely going thru' the stadium gates was it!!!

And how many seconds would it have taken you to make the ONE change to gate positions in 2005..?? Or were you a lot slower then...: I hope not coz you're pretty bloody slow on the uptake these days!!! No apology yet from Mr. Williams....

Ah right, so there were a couple (at least..) of heats printed in the prog. with incorrect gate positions... Considering that the person responsible for the prog.last night is the same person who made such a fuss (and hasn't stopped repeating this fuss for FOUR years ) when in the 2005 Pairs prog. there was ONE mistake (and that was in helmet colours NOT gate positions, BTW..) then may we expect to see a FULL apology from that person right now.. Trust when you got your munchies for the long journey home last night, Bryn, it was good old humble pie you had to eat..!!

And (to please Malc...! ) five turned out at one time or another for Wimbledon!!!!

I'll do so IF you spare poor Mr. Golding a journey there and back in the haze of Super Kings!!! On that subject, any chance of a lift back to the Ferry in the Golding hire-machine..??!!

Not that stand, no... I understand that even though it is, by decades, the most modern part of the stadium it's been neglected so badly it's a H&S risk...

Thanx for the update. Am sure it won't adversely effect a meeting I'm looking forward to massively; but let's be honest, the disparity now between the strengths of Groups 'A' & 'B' is really quite extreme...

You know wot...: I am MASSIVELY impressed that you've gone over 12 months before mentioning that!! There was me thinking I could wind you up easily!!...

Hmm, in that case you don't mention 2005 either!!!!

And in 2001, that side was redeveloped with a brand-new, state-of-the-art, glass fronted grandstand dubbed the Mick The Miller Stand. But this facility was hardly ever used and has been shut down (and falling down) for over five years now. If you ever want a case study in how NOT to run a stadium, go no further than the management of Wimbledon Dog Track!!!!

Well quite. But THAT wasn't what the sainted Co-ordinator changed was it...! I'll explain it over that beer.. Actually I'll never get that beer that way (even I'd avoid me if this subject was going to be raised AGAIN!! ) - I promise I WON'T mention 2005, if you buy the beers!!!

You expect there to be 'rules', Bob..??!!! One might've imagined that ANY pairing could be named. Anyone remember Karl White in the Boston line-up in 2005..??!! But I also recall in 2005 begging the League Co-ordinator (sic) for a format on the Wednesday (prog. deadline day), only to be told !there wasn't one, just make one up"; only for said esteemed gentleman to waltz into the refs box at the interval on the day of the meeting itself, take out a piece of paper which he said WAS the format and then insist that everyone's already filled-in progs be changed. The action blackened the name of the promoting club and those who produced said prog. and - do you know wot..! - I still ain't forgiven 'im!!

Are you breaking out the bikini!!!??

As opposed to the past three years when it's looked a "distant" one!!!

...as would you buying me that long lost "pint" tomorrow ..??!!!

Group B is a LOT harder than Group A though isn't it..??!! How does the format work: top two pairs from each group into semis or into a round robin second stage or just group winners against each other in a Final..???

So do I.. Am missing Buzz ride for Weymouth at Mildenhall on Sunday as it is as it clashes with the 'V' Festival (it's a load of beat-combos playing music, MM!! ) - would be peeved if that ALSO clashed with the KL Round of the U-15s!!

Strange order in which to list these two meetings though isn't it!!!

Come on...: four days to this event and hardly any posts. I don't give a fig wot the Mods and their habitual defenders (step forward Mr. W.) say, there is no question that IF this thread was where any sane person knows it should be - the NL section - there would be more interest...!! Is the purpose of the BSF to encourage and promote interest, debate and discussion or suppress it!!!

Though the Bronze Helmet, individual, shared event was in the NL section....