Parsloes 1928 nearly

Or even "the top four riders allowed to compete in the Grand Closed Shop"...!!!!

Hmm, back in post #306 you wrote, "... for me, aside from 3, all the world champions were most deserving. Does preferring the GP format automatically mean I despise the world final system?" Well, the answer to that, following the utterly pathetic remarks you've made in your latest posting, must be yes, you certainly do despise the old World Final. Which hardly helps your argument. By the way, the "Conference" (sic) standard Poles in the '70s included not just the winner in '73, but also Edward Jancarz and Zenon Plech...: I don't think many would regard them as sub-standard would they..??! Oh, and would be interesting to know who the "Third man" is, in the unholy trinity of undeserved world champs you've also previously mentioned. I assume the other two are the two non-Scandanvian contintenal Europeans Rob mentions, but who's your third candidate then..?? Surely it must be Mark Loram...: for he won a World title without winning a SINGLE meeting all year!! Oh no, sorry, can't be him coz that was under the much better GP 'system'..!!

Well, it can onnly go "upwards" coz you can't get lower than it is right now!!!

Hmm, 'nail' missing head and landing firmly (and painfully) on thumb, as neither you or 'Jeff.' {sic} have replied to: Make an unsustainable point and you, er, can't sustain it!!!

Now I've sorted out the error on my race card (well it WAS wet!!. ) I've updated the scores as I think should have been awarded championship-wise in the 250cc class too..: Round Four, Buxton Championship Points Ben MORLEY 18 Rhys NAYLOR 16 Daniel I'ANSON 14 Brandon FREEMANTLE 12 Lloyd BARRETT 11 Jack CORNES 10 Tyler GOVIER 9 Connor DWYER 8 Daniel SIBSON 7 Final Championship points and positions score in italics deleted (only applicable where four rounds ridden). 1st Rhys NAYLOR dnr 18 16 16 50 2nd Nathan STONEMAN 18 16 12 dnr 46 3rd.Ben MORLEY 9 dnr 18 18 45 4th. Connor DWYER 16 12 11 8 39 5th. = Daniel I'anson 10 11 dnr 14 35 5th. = Lloyd BARRETT 14 10 10 11 35 5th. = Jack CORNES 11 14 9 10 35 8th. Daniel SIBSON 8 9 dnr 7 24 9th. Brandon FREEMANTLE dnr dnr 14 12 26 10th. Tyler GOVIER dnr dnr 8 9 17 11th. Marc OWEN 12 dnr dnr dnr 12

Actually you were right first time..: the 11 heat and 10 heat formats WERE indeed very like the Bronze Helmet.. For example in the 250cc series leader (and eventual winner), Rhys Naylor had his first ride in heat three and then had his next three in consecutive races (including twice against Dan I'anson) in heats 8 to 10..!! By that time several of the lads had, had all four of their rides! Similarily in the 500cc James Sarjeant had his final three rides in the final four heats and had two rides to go when one of his main challengers John Resch had finished all his rides. It is, of course, tricky to devise a format with fields of 11 and 10 respectively but surely the rides could be a tad more evenly distributed than this..??

You could indeed!!!!

Amazing..: somebody here wants to be associated with BSI...!!! Your input (apparently... ) didn't actually, er, "get things done [and] make them happen" when it came to Saturday's GP did it...!!!

You've clearly never been to Twickenham then...: there is not a cat in proverbial's chance that motor sport would ever be sanctioned there..!! And for that matter, that game played by 11-a-side with a round ball has also never been allowed to be played there either!!!!

Where do get the idea that fans would ignore a one-off World Final..??!! You have a go at those who have an alternative view to yours (in the one-off WF versus GPs debate) but there is no possible justification in this surmise of yours. Why would no one turn up to Wembley or Cardiff for a one-off World Final when Cardiff manages what 20-30k for a early round, largely meaningless (in the scheme of things..) GP..?? Your argument makes not one scrap of sense!!

Now THIS is what I would've posted if I'd have gone and been a victim of this near-criminal act!! Up to now there have been far too many people willing to shrug their shoulders and say it's one of those things..! Admirable "British upper-lip" stuff sure..: but IMHO unacceptable as it gets these charlatans off the hook.. I'm still intrigued (from afar!!) by the story about the programmes. Being involved with producing programmes over here I know that if a meeting is called off and is rearranged, say the next week, one would certainly use the same already printed prog. But at the venue on Saturday we've already heard it said that no progs were for sale.. I still haven't heard if any were seen. Can someone clarify this..? IF the prog. for the rearranged meeting in Poland next Saturday turns out not to be a copy printed for this Saturday (and that'll be easy enuff to identify containing references to Gelsenkirchen/Germany etc.) then it's further evidence that something potentially very underhand has happened here... I also agree that the extra prize money next week should be forsaken and passed on as compensation instead to those who travelled...

What I like about this is that anywhere else the opposition would be called the 'Rest of the World' but not with the Americans!! They obviously regard the USA as one world (the more important one!!) and everyone else is in another world!!!!!

Cheers mate!! One more question (I was obviously very dim on the day...: must've been the stress of following that bloody tractor for miles!! ): Can you clarify..: what WAS the correct order in heat 3 of the 250cc class..??

Alright then, there was nothing wrong with calling off an 'indoor' meeting despite the fact that hundreds (don't know if it ran to 1,000s did it...??) of fans from the UK had travelled to see it. And the GPs are wonderful spectacles and will be the salvation of Speedway. What matter that sometimes they fall victim to slight technical hitches. Never mind, they can always be staged the next weekj. Oh and those rubbish riders Ronnie Moore, Barry Briggs, Peter Collins...: they were not proper World Champs coz all they had to do was turn up beat some rubbish Eastern Europeans on one day. Nothing like the might that is Greg Hancock. Oh, and that 1977 Inter Continental Final..?? Staged in front of me and my dog in a tin pot place..: a meaningless meeting.. This is the reality you'd prefer to accept then you're welcome to it...

Bloomin' 'eck I was there Malc and never saw you..!! Mind you. my specs were permanently covered in drizzle and it was misty..!! You could've bought me a cup of tea!! Still, there's always tomorrow at the NA!!! You're right about the talent..: I thought in particular young Jason Garrity looked absolutely first class!!

Are you sure he won't be a late signing for someone's Four in the CL4s at Stoke..!!??

Come on, that's utter rot!! When you turned up for a World Final you didn't know who was going to leave as World Champ. There's no doubt is there who's walking out of Bydgoszcz as World Champ is there..??!! And the winner on the day..?? Well, frankly who gives one!!!!

Hmm, seriously think you need your head examining..!!!!

Purely unofficial and relying on my rather addled brain and not top-notch maths, but this how I reckon the 500cc class panned out in the end..??!! 1st Jason GARRITY 14 16 14 18 48 2nd. James SARJEANT 11 18 12 16 46 3rd. John RESCH 18 14 11 11 43 4th. Joseph JACOBS 12 10 16 9 38 5th. = Marc OWEN 18 12 30 5th. = Jack HIRST 8 12 10 30 7th. Cameron HOSKINS 9 11 8 7 28 8th. Jack BUTLER 10 9 8 27 9th. Scott DAY 6 8 10 6 24 10th = DANIEL GREENWOOD 16 16 10th. =Scott GIBBONS 9 7 16 12th. Kyle HOWORTH 14 14 The score in italics is the one knocked off as the lowest (that's where a full house of four scores were obtained) Couple of questions 1) young Kyle, is it Howarth (as in yesterday's prog.) or Haworth as people who know him have posted on here..?? 2) Why were there last chance eliminators and 'Grand Finals' in rounds one and two but not in the final two rounds.. Seems very odd!! 3) Looking at the rules about ties for rostrum positions, I can see why it was deemed that James finished ahead of Kyle in second. But the same logic applied surely to the 250s so why was it decided to have a run-off there..??!!

And an appropriate location too - just a few hundred metres from the late lamented White City where I witnessed the greatest Speedway meeting I've ever seen: the 1977 Inter-Continental Final If ever anyone wants evidence to show how much better the old World Championship system was than the old tat they call the GPs then visit http://speedwayondisc.blogspot.com/2008/09...r-mr-davis.html And this wasn't even the Final..: but an incredible penultimate qualifying round... Ah, those were the days - but I guess one's "Not Nineteen Forever"..!! I know what you'll say next, in fact "What Took You So Long?"!: that I'm living in the past..: but when it comes to Speedway it's "Yesterday, Today & Probably Tomorrow".. And as for what you've posted, well all I can say is "No, you didn't, No You don't" I pity anyone standing near us at the Courteeners gig though!! * for the record I was only 17 not 19 in 1977..: but a bit of poetic licence, eh!!!

Actually I don't know anything!! Which is why I was asking if it's true about (1) there being no programmes and (2) the rather odd Sky scheduling..!! I don't think that there's any loss of a sense of perspective here!! Good job I hadn't gone (though fat chance, as you know, that I'd cross the road to see a GP let alone cross the channel!! ) because I would have lost it BIG TIME!!! You're right that you support the GPs and I'm firmly in the 'World Final'- camp...: but that doesn't mean you have to defend what's happened this weekend..!! Surely there IS no defence is there..!!

This is now seriously beyond a joke..! This thread has resided in the Conference section since the beginning of July and yet today Mods have moved it here..!! For goodness sake, are you determined to destroy all debate about this meeting..!!!

The situation re. the meeting programme seems to me here to be critical. We've seen mention that someone trying to buy a prog. was told there weren't any..!! Did anyone who was there get one or see one..?? If the answer to that is "no", then there can surely be absolutely no doubt that this meeting was called off long before yesterday or rather that there was no plan to hold it yesterday at this venue. If I was one of those who had travelled I would be preparing to sue the ar*e off the crooks who have done this. Can the whole group not get together to do this..??? This effectively now MUST be the end of the GPs. If it isn't then it IS the end of international individual Speedway as any kind of serious sport. It is also remarkable that Sky hadn't programmed in 'reruns' of the GP. I haven't checked this but IF this was the case it would, extraordinarily, imply that somehow they were in on this. An unlikely concept - and I'd intrinsically be against the conspiracy theories myself too.. - but what other rational explanations can people suggest. And sorry, m8, but I can't believe you've posted this..!! This whole thing sums up the GPs and has pushed Speedway much, much nearer total extinction.. You know, extinction...: like the dinosaurs..!!

Wot for the marvellous GPs, "so much better than the old rubbish World Finals", only a couple of thousand tickets sold..??!! Shorely shome mistook... Mind you, that's still a couple of thousand more than they'll sell for this rubbish in the future..!!

Hmm, well I know where I'd want him to ride if I were you Jayne!!! Many thanx to all at Buxton for an excellent afternoon...: we had a torrid journey (stuck for yonks behind a tractor on the A6!!) and then got there to find Hi Edge surrounded by a deep mist. Had given up on there being any racing so it was literally like a desert wanderer coming across an oasis to see the bikes actually in action around your fabulous circuit..!! And no, it wasn't a mirage!! How ironic that the same afternoon the youngsters who are Speedway's future were showing how to make light of difficult conditions, that others (who I feel so sorry for... ) from our 'family' of Speedway supporters had travelled to Germany for the absolute guarantee of a meeting going ahead INDOORS, only to find incredibly that meeting called off.. Those who run the so-called GPs should hang their heads in shame; as for me, give me Buxton on a misty, drizzly October afternoon any time!!!