Butch

Manchesterpaul.. please don't think i'm having a pop at you! but when have speedway promoters or governing bodys ever given a flying proverbial about the fans? The track may be sorted out, if it is then backs will be patted and hands shaken, if it isn't no one will ever take the blame, it will be no ones fault, but who pays.... we do! speedway has always taken from the fans and never given back!

I am disgusted that Odsalboy feels the need to apologise, nothing malicious was said, we have freedom of speech in this country, it's the law, if Sheffield speedway don't like it, they should go and do one!!!

Just read the comments by Odsalboy, nothing wrong there, just read he's been slated "publicly" at Sheffield ... Very bad move by the person concerned, legal implications! When are people going to learn we all have opinions and we are allowed to voice them?

Me talk crap? I'm trying to make the point that too many experts, who stand on the terracing are making comments about a dangerous sport on a dangerous track, when they have no idea what it's like to ride one of these machines in any conditions!

Your such an expert, how many times have you raced at Kirky lane? I've asked twice now!

When did you last race competitively at Kirky lane?

I' m not having a pop about the curfew I didn't know what it was. Your right about safety but surely common sense has to be a part of the decision.

If it's 10:30 fine, but it's a bit strange how tracks who have houses further away than bv are set at 10pm! Despite the curfew the ref has obviously never been on a bike, they were falling like dominos and that's the main issue, rider safety wasn't taken into account for ALL riders!

The curfew is a bi-law, the referee or the promotion of belle vue could possibly be fined or charged with breaking the law!

Having read various comments about the state of the track, the number of accidents and the curfew being broken, the ref seems to have overstepped their authority on safety and the local law! Curfews are put in place by local councils and they are a planning condition, this has been abused and can potetionaly revoke the stadium licence. The scb need to make refs accountable for their over inflated opinions of themselves and what is right in law and not in their god like hands!!!!

Having read various comments about the state of the track, the number of accidents and the curfew being broken, the ref seems to have overstepped their authority on safety and the local law! Curfews are put in place by local councils and they are a planning condition, this has been abused and can potetionaly revoke the stadium licence. The scb need to make refs accountable for their over inflated opinions of themselves and what is right in law and not in their god like hands!!!!

Sorry!!! for a moment there i thought that maybe the BSPA, BSI or FIM were thinking of actually entertaining the paying public for the large amouts of cash that they make out of us each meeting!

The compound of the tyre and the width both make the tyre grippier and safer, in the 60's right through till about 83, i think, the tyres were all bigger and had deeper grooves, they lasted longer and even if the track was slick you got a hell of a lot more traction than you do now, riders used to be allowed to "cut " their own tyres thus making more grooves for even more traction. In the early 80's there were Barum tyres, dunlops, and one the Americans used called a carlisle, then for some reason they changed the size and depth of the grooves and made all riders use the same tyre, check out coventry's programme for the different track records for each size tyre. I hope this means that someone is trying to get racing back into speedway, problem is if all riders use the same tyres you'll be back to square one with the fastest riders clearing off into the distance.

Having read all the posts on this thread, this incident is very much like Penhall/Carter 1982, did he fall was he pushed, Nicholls hit Hans more than once, Hans quite rightly was leaning on Scott, every speedway rider in the world uses this move to get across an opponent be it in the first turn or down the straight. Nicholls rode Hans hard into the corner, the conditions didn't help Hans to stay up, the fact of the matter is that you do not have to make contact with a rider to make them fall, Crump didn't touch Antonio but he should have been kicked out cos he caused him to fall, Scott didn't hit Hans at the point when he fell but he did cause Hans to go down, and after the knocks he gave Hans down the straight you'll find thats why the ref kicked him out because of the aggressive riding.