False dawn

Do you know, it's the first time I've heard anyone speak around this debate that just came over as being straightforward. Well done Rory.

So did Brandon Estates call in the police reference Sandhu's actions or not? If they did, it makes a nonsense of the belief that these two are one and the same. If they did, which police force is investigating this alleged offence? If they did, why has it taken so long to progress this investigation? If they did, would the police not say that this is a contractual dispute and therefore a civil matter? If they didn't, then we have been lied to. So I challenge you Brandon Estates, Tell us which police force is dealing with this dispute and the progress of that investigation. OR admit you did nothing, meaning you were quite happy to see this stadium in an unusable condition. Actually, I'll make it easier for you. Brandon Estates, tell us anything of any substance. It is clear from only a few hours real investigation that both Sandhu and Brandon Estates do not want the rest of us to know the nature and detail of their businesses. Both are clouded in mystery, intermediaries and in the case of Brandon Estates, an off shore registration.

dawn with a small d is not a girl's name, it's a time of day. As in the phrase, it's another false dawn. For the record, I'm a grumpy old man! Regarding the security of the stadium, I understand it has been reported on social media that the doors have been fixed and the stadium is now, again, secure.

On a slightly worrying note. I was passing the stadium yesterday and saw that the doors to the hanger building, hanging off their hinges. I took a photo and wrote to the Bees website but have not received a response. I'm not sure who is responsible for / interested in stadium security currently.

I would be happy to report on proceedings. Unfortunately my wife is working which leaves me without transport. Anyone going from the Rugby area?

It appears he is not afraid to enter the lion's den (no pun intended).... http://www.coventrybees.co/news.php?extend.3814

So it would seem.

To be clear. I think it is unfortunate that Peterborough and Coventry have chosen to run on this day (and at exactly the same time). As an avid Bees fan and considering their current troubles and given that this will be their opening meeting of the season, of course I want to be there. On the other hand I have great respect for Peter Karlson and think it is appropriate that any fan who has supported the sport throughout his career should show their their thanks for his contribution. It's not as though the Peterborough meeting could not have avoided this clash. It looks like an oversight. Oh well. You can't have everything, eh?

Hmmm. Not the best of fixturing (and where have I heard that before). There is a certain meeting at Wolves that day involving Sam Ermolenko, Ronnie Correy, Michael Max and others celebrating Peter Karlson's final bow. An unfortunate conflict of sporting interest.

Don't apologise. There have been the thick end of 268 pages of discussion on the subject and we're still no nearer the truth. For the record, here are the Four Amigos. Please note, Brandon Estates - image unavailable

Ah, ah, ah, I take a couple of days off and we go from offering each other lifts to slagging off each other's tracks. Please, this thread is about one thing. Support your local team even if they are racing up the road a way. I will not stifle debate on any subject or from any contributor. But there is a well established thread or two for where this is going on. Not here. Now who wants a lift?

I don't know you from Adam, but if you'd like to go for a drink sometime...... btw it's dawn as in the time of day, not Dawn, the girl's name! P.S. This wasn't set up as a dating thread. I do know fliss44 slightly

I love the Bees. They are have been part of my life for many years decades. We have been thrown a lifeline. If you want to debate the ins and outs of what has and is happening I respectfully request you go to the Coventry 2017 thread where you'll find many kindred spirits. For my part I want to support what is left of my club, come what may. So come Friday April 7th I'll be there, at Beaumont Park, watching the Beaumont Bees beating Kings Lynn. I'll be travelling with my wife with a car with 4 (5, at a push) seats from Rugby and will be more than happy to take like minded fans with me. Any similarly minded fans, feel free to post your offers or needs of lifts here.

We'll all pull together, won't we? Well I wonder, reading some of the reaction to this latest announcement. Oh well, that aside. Let's assume Mick Horton is only in this for the money. With me, so far? Assuming that to be true, can we really think he is stringing us along by taking us Leicester? If there is a major run of support for this move, he can still surely expect a big drop in income through the turnstiles not to mention the cost of renting another stadium. You might not like him, but he ain't a fool. Certainly not when it comes to money. Accept this at face value. We have a team (God bless them for their patience). Go, if you can and keep the faith. Hell, I'm sounding like a supporter of the people involved. To them I say this. You are dealing with something bigger than a speedway club or a business from which to make money. Sometimes a club just will not die e,g, Leicester or Cradley who still persist despite everything. Please. We have gone through a lot already, I know. I do know. 46 years on the Brandon terraces has an effect on a man (chilblains if nothing else). I want a future for our Bees if not for me but for those who come after me. If your hobby is politics, bugger off. This is a sporting thread.

Come on guys and gals. I don't know the real facts of this better than anyone else. We were facing two ways forward. Closure or some other way that at least kept hope alive. I don't want to support my team in someone else's stadium. But if there's still a chance of us going back to Brandon and maybe, just maybe a new stadium, I for one will do everything to support my Bees. Not Mick Horton, not Avtar Sandhu, not Brandon Estates, not even Michael Stokes (bless him). The Bees. A virtual entity bigger than any person or venue.

Just got back from the funeral. It was a splendid service attended by a large number of friends and family; it was standing room only in the chapel. At the wake I had an engaging conversation with some insiders but that's for another day. For me, a sad day had a happy outcome. Bryn managed to bring two "senior" fans together even after his demise. A big thank you to Fourentee for the lift. Without you I wouldn't have been able to attend. Added to that, I have a new forum friend. Rest well Bryn.

At least he didn't retire after 5 days!

Is anyone travelling from the Midlands? Bryn was a friend and I'm stuck for transport. Petrol costs sharing of course.

How do you find this information? I mean, it's one thing spotting maximums in the stats. It's quite another working out that it was that rider's only appearance ever at that track. I'm amazed

Coventry Motor Speedway actually. Although that name never really took off, did it? But that's just knitpicnicking eh?

I haven't given up on the Bees opening their league winning campaign in March. But is it the end if that doesn't come to pass? We all know how legal disputes drag on. But it's also clear that The powers that be ain't going to allow houses to be built for a year or three yet. If we don't make March, what then? A temporary licence suspension. Open meetings (a Greg Hancock home coming?) who knows. This is a long way from over.

Hey, we're two sides of the same coin. Diametrically opposed and at the same time on the same side. Paradoxical? No not really. Just true speedway fans who love our team. P.S. it's dawn as in the time of day

I have news for you. British Speedway is doomed. Especially with attitudes like that.

P.S. Sorry guys and galls, I must be getting old. I had to check, but I was right. Pepe Teromaa rode for the Bees in 1975. [i hope I'm doing enough to get this thread back on track. Hint]

I'm with you, even though I think one of the Teromaa's rode for Coventry, did he not?Whatever. Coventry and Leicester locking horns gets the juices going, doesn't it? Cradley were a temporary diversion while you were away (and yes, I lament the loss of our Heathen friends in the senior division). Wolves were a kind of local enemy. And Poole; well we can't claim them as the old enemy, their everyone's nemesis (just kidding Steve). The thought that we might yet revive the East Midlands Bowl at the start of the season, when we can shout our hearts out, especially at those "other" supporters, keeps me on the side of optimism for our current predicament. Leicester looks safe. Very good. Now just the other half of that equation to sort out. There are some powerful forces at work and not all of them selfish. We can be there in March. Keep the faith.