False dawn

As I said in my post above, participation in the individual events i.e GPs and SEC could continue under a neutral flag. But the "Rest the World" team or whatever you call it has not qualified for the SON.

It is a bit worrying. They have said UEFA aren't included as a major event organiser but you're right, we're governed by the FIM, a world body. I guess Emil etc. could compete in the GP's and SEC under a neutral flag if they can prove they are clean. But as a team event the SON is a bit more tricky.

Actually, I thought it was quite a good reasoned discussion. I agree that the two riders are not just good for Belle Vue but as future internationals as well. For those of us that don't see them on a regular basis, it's interesting to know their progress and relative skills. Not to mention Dan's continued improvement after his injury.

A true speedway fanatic!

Slightly anomalous me thinks. Rory could be British Champion; he could therefore go to Cardiff as "our" wildcard. But he ain't British enough to get the 2.5% discount. This is what happens when you write complex regulations.

Hear, hear.

But it was suggested elsewhere on here that he is eligible because he rode in the NL. What is the rule?

We are generally okay with riders who had an average in the final figures published on the speedwaygb site. But there is some confusion (in my mind at least) who gets the 2.5% e.g. Nick Morris and we all guessing where a rider has moved leagues, e.g. Todd Kurtz. There must be a definitive list of riders' averages for clubs to be building their teams. It would be nice, especially as we get down to the last one or two riders to signed, if we had sight of this.

I think you've forgotten to give Kyle Howarth his 2.5% reduction. I think you've Sheffield have got 6.91 left (or 6.30 if Todd is on 4.00).

As a Bees fan and now a Leicester missionary (), I've watched Scott racing for many years. The riders are very accessible at Leicester especially doing post race interviews and it was very clear this season, that he is worth significantly more points than his average suggests. His experience and mentoring skills are invaluable and I for one are saddened by his move away from Beaumont Park. And don't forget, he might be a little less dominant on track, but he did finish 12th in the Championship averages.

This whole discussion has got very confused. My understanding is that all British riders and any others who rode in the NL are eligible for the 2.5% reduction. The reduction is, however, only applied at the beginning of a new season for the purposes of team building calculations. This reduction applying to all three leagues. From then on, the full average figure would apply for subsequent re-declarations, guest appearance, R/R calculations and so on. So in the case of Nick Morris, he may well have signed for Wolves on 6.60 average but the figure put into the team building calculation would have been 6.60 - 2.5%. Please tell me I'm right.

I remember seeing Jimmy in the early 70's. He continued riding up to 1975 according to this.... http://wwosbackup.proboards.com/thread/2622/jimmy-squibb

John Legman I cleaned that one up.

I think quite a few Cradley supporters and quite a few Coventry supporters, not to mention quite a few speedway supporters, will want to watch Greg in any race jacket. We owe him quite a lot.

Ex-spoons paying at the turnstiles? Are you sure?

My head says you're right. My heart hopes otherwise. Watching H&H in heat 15 at Brandon many times is among my fondest speedway memories. If Greg rides for Wolves next year, I'll be be there, more than once. His appearance in Britain in, what may be his his final year, would be very special indeed. [I hope he reads this]

I think I like that.

Common error underpinning your post. The Thom(p)sons weren't twins in the Tintin stories. One spelled his name with a "p" and one without. Why am I discussing Hergé's creation on a Berwick thread?

I was only kidding

Don't spoil a good idea with details

What about Magic? He's been ditched by the Poles for sicknotegate. Maybe you could get him to ride on a British licence. Could be British Champion and ride for us in the SON!

Like this?......

Hear, hear. It's great to win meetings and the league but we must never lose sight of the "Development" dimension of the third tier. If this level were to be lost, what other way do we see for our youngsters to progress through the ranks?

How about 3 bonus points for winning a race, 2 for second and 1 for third?

Max apparently. Has he definitely said he''s not riding here next season? It's a sad day if that's true.