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Halifaxtiger.

At last someone in the know. Let's stick some meat on the bones of these rumours. Thanks in advance.

There has always been loopholes in the rule book it's just years ago all the competitors participated with a sporting sense of fair play and realised they were just different departments in the greater company that was British speedway. Any smart arse in possession of low morals could take advantage of these happy souls who had previously been aware of the loop holes but thought nobody would behave in an unsporting way, would they. Then along came self confessed cheat Matt Ford and the rest is (a sorry) history.

The fact EDRs could move into the top five for the first time has messed things up a bit. The Worralls have also highlighted a problem. Steve EDR rode most of the year in the top five whilst Richie non EDR rode at reserve. It's messed things up so the thinking now is all PL or none PL for team building with the former being preferred due to the leg up it gives the Brits.

Looks like using PL averages is the way it's going. I'm obviously happy with it and the way it helps the Brits (yes, there are a few Aussies du/edr and even fewer from other nations). Cook coming in below 6, well I'd take it all day long. Back the Brits. Good times.

Whilst all these interpretations of rules or second guessing next years set up is fine the most crucial thing is consistency. If a team is told a riders average will be X then that's the average for all teams. Likewise lets know the rules for setting averages for returning or newbie riders now and not in August/September next year. Also do away with the brown envelope, you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours approach which only seems to benifit some teams.

Are you guys doubting the word of the lady on the till at Sue Ryder? Surely not. 😀

From what I've heard it will be the case that PL averages will be used. It threw up an anomaly in Richie Worrall as he isn't an EDR but has ridden at reserve for most of the season so his average is skewed like the EDRs. The thinking is to use his PL average but that then was met with calls that if you do it with him then do it with the others so Cook etc will also use converted PL averages. There is also the likelihood of the 2.5% Brit reduction coming back. The powers that be are looking to cut costs so the team building average is going to be slashed thought this historically is always the case when The Aces finish top. Team totals will now be 38.50 I reckon Belle Vue will look like this under the new rules. Emil S. Worrall Cook King Fricke R. Worrall Jacobs

His UK average is 0.10 lower the Sam's because he never rode at reserve. Sam's my second favourite young Aussie. Great rider, love him.

Belle Vue average 2500. Poor for the stadium we have but with certain monkeys off our backs and a focused marketing campaign we should be between 3 & 4 next season.

Looks like there is something to the money rumours at Belle Vue. I spoke with the lady on the till at Sue Ryder and she's heard some shocking stuff. The booze that's sold for three pound odd a pint is actually costing them £6! If you book via tickets.com then Belle Vue don't see the cash as when they ring to check on sales tickets.com just say it's been quite. When I spoke to David after the BH Poole meeting he said how pleased he was with a crowd of 257. Apparently every time they open the doors at NSS they lose £25k. I asked David why run the last two colts meetings? One of them's a double header so I'll only lose £12.5k on that night he said! Not looking good.

I think if any of this years team want to stay and the rules allow it we'll keep them. We'll let Scott decide and I think he'll move to Lakeside with Paddy coming back. He'd be a trump card as a second string having ridden at number one all year. The doubt with Zagar is if he'll take the deal offered. We're in the driving seat now as riders want to be here so his old cash in hand deal won't be on the table. It's up to him if he wants to join the party. If he goes it's whoever will fit but probably Emil.

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That's the problem if you've only encountered 21st century UK speedway. The crowds are lacking in enthusiasm and also very low - chicken & egg? In the 70's and 80's riders got stick because they were good and rode for the opposition. I'd boo with the rest of them but I'd still be in the pits chasing after autographs. The riders were in on it too and some played the game brilliantly adding to the whole event. I'm not advocating WWE style antics but more of Wednesday's interaction between riders and crowd would be great for the sport imo. Tai let it get to him and many did back then in the heat of the moment, it's his comments on social media when the dust has settled that surprised people. The PC brigade have worked their spell on a sport as rough and tumble as ours and now there's no real villains - manufactured or not. Our sport with its 60 second rush of adrenalin is made for such characters. Imo.

At least Tai can get a job as a spy when he hangs up his kevlars. If he can pick out one or two knob heads allegedly giving him grief about his Dad whilst on a motorbike with a helmet on and a few thousand fans shouting "who r yer" at the top of their voices then he could pick out vital secrets in various locations around the world. The only thing that would stop him is if it's all BS from the ringers apologists.

Belle Vue would have finished top on points difference even if the ringer had been in the side the night we beat them. The Aces topped the table for an incredible 12th time in their history, far more than any other club. I think Cookie should have taken a more laid back approach to the incident. Like Jason Doyle is doing right now in hospital.

I use to love Telford with riders backing it in or messing up on bends 2 or 4. Since its demise Wolves fits the bill perfectly so for that reason I hope they stay.

You couldn't pat me on the head whilst giving me a sugar lump just to complete the picture. Oh and a drink in a none spill cup.

I remember Klindt reporting in the star about Leicester riders not being paid a few weeks back. As captain he has to sign a report for the referee to indicate if they have been paid or not. What's the time limit on payment? That night, the next day, a week or 28 days? I'm just trying to see if there has been a misunderstanding with these "in the know" types, as I can't see them maliciously spreading rumours. There was a minor ex ace spouting off a while back but he had an axe to grind and I think everyone took it with a pinch of salt at the time.

The Swindon team spoke out and protested that resulted in an Aces win a while back. Just recently Lindback refused to ride for his Swedish team over money. If it's an issue they speak out.

When I'm making a purchase, going for a meal or visiting some other establishment I like many others check out the web for information. Only the other day I backed off making a purchase after reading information on a website. Any would be sponsor of this great sport of ours would do the same and with little in the way of impartial web information would end up on Facebook, Twitter or here. What do you think these potential investors would think when there is continual reference to financial irregularities by their would be benefactor? If there is substance to these rumours then to keep on and on about it on THE UK speedway fan site is crazy. Sure it makes you look big and clever but just think of the bigger picture for once. The fact that nobody including riders have come out and said anything concrete makes me doubt it validity. So this then makes it all the worse to have tittle tattle parading as fact mentioned time and time again on every thread they can. What's in it for you and more importantly what's in it for the sport?

Up to the 20th of June we had rode 8 away and only 4 at home so it could have been a struggle. However up to the corresponding date last season we rode 9 away and 4 at home but somehow in a stadium with higher rent and no sundry income we coped better? The team was pretty much the same too. People might say that we had the Craven to refund but we had pages and pages on here saying it hadn't been refunded. In addition to all this the crowd numbers are double those of last year. If we could manage last year we can certainly manage this year. Sorry to introduce logic and facts into a rumour fuelled topic. I'm almost expecting a warning from the mods as it seems these two things are frowned upon on here. P.S. Still waiting to here anything of substance from these "in the know" types.

What did you hear? You can PM me if you lack confidence in your rumours having substance. Cheers mate.

At least it will stop everyone saying I'm him!

The best prepared award is for things like kick boards, white line, track surface. It is absolutely not a vote for most entertaining circuit or best track for exciting racing. I'm guessing any passes last night where on the inside? If so I'd be issuing fines.