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Is It Finally Time For One League?
ouch replied to TheSmiler's topic in SGB Premiership Speedway League
What you have described happens once in heat 4, other heats have riders of a similar calibre more often than not. We run an RS system to promote British rider development so we will have one or two heats where the standard might seem great. Would it be best to drop the scheme? -
Is It Finally Time For One League?
ouch replied to TheSmiler's topic in SGB Premiership Speedway League
I decided to have a look back at the set up for the top league in 1976, I just arbitrarily picked that year from a period when the sport was riding high. Though we had more tracks the issue of top stars not being available to all and the repetitive nature of the same clubs challenging was just the same. It’s easy to name certain riders when harking back to the old days but there just wasn’t enough to ride for each club. In 1976, Birmingham had Alan Grahame, Cradley John Boulger, Hackney Dave Morton, Halifax Christ Pusey, Hull Barry Briggs in his forties, Wimbledon tragic with a number 1 and Wolverhampton Jimmy McMillan. All fine riders but the gap between them and the Olsen & Collins of the time was the same if not more than the gap now. Jettisoning top rides is not going to save our top league, however if they had a 5-10 plan to get speedway back to where it should be and they could prove their reasoning then I’d accept it. I just feel if they did it then we would see no benefit and the sport would continue to die. I not saying this in a holier than thou way but Belle Vue’s operating model regarding team building needs to be adopted throughout. Dan (3.00), Brady (7.50), Jaimon (4.00), Norick (4.00), Tom plus Max (4.84) etc are riders brought to the club that we have invested time and effort in seeing them reach their full potential. This also generates an identity with the club that the fans can engage in. The problem for other clubs in doing this is the fact there is little longevity in top league participation. Ipswich (2019) & Sheffield (2021) are considered top clubs yet only recently did they move back up to the top league, I’ve got older soup in the cupboard and this doesn’t allow the rider development as mentioned above. If we can, we need to stop this yo yo ing of clubs from year to year. Having said that in the past, clubs would move up when ready and not when cajoled into it. When Ipswich moved up in the 70’s it was on the back of a very successful period of rider development with many team members moving up with them. The problem with doing that nowadays is the dreaded doubling up that has been allowed to grow at an alarming rate so you move up into a league where “your” riders are already participating with other teams. The sport once again painting itself into a corner. -
Is It Finally Time For One League?
ouch replied to TheSmiler's topic in SGB Premiership Speedway League
The Aces would, just as we have with Max to Leicester when they moved up and it was great to see Tom riding at number 1 last season at Birmingham. We wouldn’t want to and it’s hard to see our lads moved on after the work put in but there is a bigger picture here. -
Is It Finally Time For One League?
ouch replied to TheSmiler's topic in SGB Premiership Speedway League
That’s amazing and has to be applauded. When you take into account you had the best crowds in the league back then, to increase them without the top stars, the cost of living crisis and many other factors impacting the sport, Poole really need to be coaching other clubs on how they increase crowds from an already healthy level. Well done. -
The weird thing is that Robert was riding on an assessed* average so he needed to complete 3+3, which he didn’t do for either Belle Vue or Kings Lynn so he remains on his old average. The problem is when Sheffield wanted to use him as a guest I informed them (BSPL) that he couldn’t due to being assessed* but they said he’s not (all of a sudden, brown envelopes at the ready) but they never treated his average as such ie rolling. When you weave a tangled web it is very easy to trip yourself up, best to just stick to the rules. Second year running that Bates tried to circumvent the rule book at play off time and for the latter he was successful.
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What the hell are you doing to our Tom? He went from last pick RS to leaving us on a (old school with bonus) 7.16 average in 2023. He has added 0.25 to that and he has Jason, Emil, Chris etc around him. It’s not working for the poor lad. We need to get him back at the ATPI track days with Jason to set him back on course. #Back the Brits.
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Belle Vue had their gating gloves on for the victory in the A fixture which is an essential part of speedway away from the NSS. We should be winning this but as we’ve seen on many occasions this season our poor gating has left us following the leader for 4 tedious laps. Jaimon should be on for double figures and this together with our top two should see us home.
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Be good to have a Comets v Aces challenge where you keep Tate and take Dan and we draft in two Colts riders to fill our team. Problem is finding a suitable date for all the riders in question.
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Very entertaining meeting with passing in thirteen heats and not just The Aces as several heats had passing & repassing. Had the scores been called a bend three lap one as is the case with speedway these days, we would have lost 37-53. Thankfully, for me anyway, the races produced my kind of speedway, not to everyone’s liking I understand but just brilliant in my eyes. Heat 15, Brady out Fricked, Fricke - wonderful. Sadly our injury jinx put paid to the bonus but I still feel we’ll remain above Kings Lynn in the qualifiers.
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Not as interesting as you actually answering the question. I didn’t get what you were up to until it was pointed out to me but I’m no feather in your cap when it comes to catching a victim. You’re definitely not the first to hook me and unfortunately won’t be the last. Whatever floats your boat. Bye.
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I did say I’d cover your new topic (championship) once we’d got your initial topic (league) out for the way. I’m unable to go first as I cannot find any proof of Brady doing what you’ve accused him of. You will have this information to hand as nobody would accuse someone of wrongdoing without being able to back it up when asked. I can see now why you anticipated a long discussion when really it could have ended with just one answer to a simple question.
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I’ll happily discuss the new topic of Brady’s involvement in championship events once we’ve got the league topic out of the way. I’ve asked a very simple question regarding his league appearances as it was his foreign league clubs that you mentioned in your initial post and it was this that I responded to.
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I think you’re being a bit harsh when describing the racing lines around the NSS. I’ve lifted the race reports from the last time we met when the lines used were mentioned. One race had simultaneous passing on the outside and inside. Fricke chasing and finally passes Blodorn up the inside bend 2 lap 4. Becker packed up on the run to the first turn. Masters gates, but Bewley is up the inside bend 3 lap 1. Masters repaid the pass bend 2 lap 2, before Bewley is back up the inside bend 1 lap 3, before pulling clear. Howarth up the inside of Zichke bend 2 lap 1 Masters gates, and leads for 3 laps with the Aces hunting him down. Lidsey and Cook go either side of Masters bend 1 lap 4 to turn it into a 5-1. Great ride from the Aces.
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Should be a very entertaining meeting again with plenty of passing. Leicester imo are the best gaters in the league though they are closely matched by the top two, necessity is the mother of invention after all. But for the racing last time we would have drawn if calling the race early, not that you can do that at the NSS. Being back to full strength helps as a full Aces side has only been beaten once, without Brady falling that is. As always it’s great to see our Max back and I’m hoping he has a good night along with local lad Kyle who will no doubt be mad for it.
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Leicester Lions vs Oxford Spires - Thu 10th July
ouch replied to SuperStarsFan91's topic in SGB Premiership Speedway League
He’s been a true number 1 for years and it’s been great to see him grow from the 4.50 lad we signed back in the day. Irreplaceable to his team, as we found out in 2022, he is a true ace in every way. -
Ipswich Witches v Belle Vue 10th July
ouch replied to blue witch's topic in SGB Premiership Speedway League
I would relish a final or semi final against Ipswich and I think most fans would love it when watching on tv. As bad as we were yesterday we were four up on aggregate after heat 12 and with the prospect of heat 13 & 15 featuring Jason, Emil, Brady & Dan, it doesn’t get much better for UK fans imo. Will the old guard prevail or will the GP big boys pull through? Something for the publicity machine to get behind. Here’s hoping Mr Morris works his magic again when sorting out the semis. -
Ipswich Witches v Belle Vue 10th July
ouch replied to blue witch's topic in SGB Premiership Speedway League
Belle Vue do seem to run their annual final qualification in a particular way. At the start of the season they will win a few away meetings and keep others close to secure the bonus. After the league settles and qualification is all but certain they take their foot off the gas until the play offs themselves. I’ve always found it odd that a rider would try less as this obviously affects their income. Having said that, Zach admitted to testing stuff out against Lynn as the team score allowed him to. If the team ride at opponents destined for the playoffs and the table allowed it, I would absolutely have a play around re set ups. Not saying this is necessarily the case for last night. I do like a strategy, especially one that is so effective year on year.