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Belle Vue v Ipswich Monday 30th June
ouch replied to Aries's topic in SGB Premiership Speedway League
The reason we do well at home is because we consistently put together strong sides and not due to this perceived home advantage. Since before the NSS came to be in 2016 we were a play off side and have maintained that for a remarkable run over the last decade. In 2016 we were the 4th best home team & the 1st best away side. 2016 4 & 1 2017 4 & 2 2018 j4 & j2 2019 j3 & j2 2021 4 & 3 2022 1 & 3 2023 2 & 1 2024 1 & 4 The play off participants win at home, but they are also successful away due to the strength of their squad. If we were always the best home side and consistently poor away then the home advantage theory would stand up but a cursory look at the records tells a different story. One thing that can be levelled at the NSS is that it is becoming increasingly insular in providing a race track with many different lines. We tend to have racers in the squad and recently this has had a detrimental effect on our away performances, sadly. -
Belle Vue v Ipswich Monday 30th June
ouch replied to Aries's topic in SGB Premiership Speedway League
Decent win from The Aces in a meeting that didn’t really spark until heat 8. Before that there was plenty of incident before B3 L1, if that floats your boat. Brady. My god he is good atm, amazing to watch given the right canvas. Norick. Averages over 6 at home and before last week 3 was his worst score v Wolves in 2022. 6 point swing in favour of the witches. Jaimon. Superb again as part of the toughest trio whether at home, away or combined (using BSPL 2025 figures). Zach. Quiet night but that what happens with number 4’s - consistent at being inconsistent. Dan is Dan - beautiful to watch. Tate. God loves a trier and he is definitely that but we don’t want an injury (legacy or current) denying us another title. 4.00’er or Antti. Jake. Probably the loveliest bloke in speedway. Great to see him mix it and scoring. Emil. Great to watch and frustrating for him to be up again the worlds 2 & 4. Danny. Seems his old self again and his heat 8 win was exceptional. Nice guys don’t always finish last. Adam. Solid score. Not a man to set the pulse racing, imo. Tom. What’s happening there - genuine question. His average has dropped from his excellent stint as a Brummie number 1. Love the guy and hope he gets his mojo back. Jason. Come back too soon but the pressure from a large section of UK fans to ride injured can be deafening, as we have experienced. Rest up Jason and go for it when fully fit. Dan. Expected more after his double figure return with Glasgow and at Foxhall where apart from Howarth in one heat, he was only beaten by the Lions top two. Jordan. RS away performance with a concerning spill. Hope he’s ok. Nicely poised for the bonus at a track we general go well at in the league, though with the set up this year we could loose 75-15 and still qualify for the play offs. I think we all feel like we’re treading water until September - not good. -
Belle Vue v Ipswich Monday 30th June
ouch replied to Aries's topic in SGB Premiership Speedway League
At the time you posted this only two Aces fans had said that. Why the need to always stir the pot. It’s tiresome. -
That’s something all of us can easily do already if we haven’t yet and feed this back to the promotion. Whether they listen or not is another thing. We have all asked friends, family or colleagues to attend speedway. Some say no, some do attend but don’t return. The reasons I’ve had are dirty, boring, expensive, wrong demographic. In the main they view it as they would monster trucks being a bank holiday thrill treat rather than a weekly or bi weekly commitment for six months of the year. Thing is they forget to return even on bank holidays or they have something else they would rather do.
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Neil plays hardly any 70’s stuff (not that there’s anything wrong in that), if fact on more than one occasion his has had his knuckles wrapped as he often will play tunes taking the Micky out of the opposition or the ref following a heat. I’m more than happy with the none racing entertainment but maybe I’m easily pleased. The pre meeting interviews with managers and captains, Chases antics, the rider interviews during grading, Chases white line challenge and the 50/50 (over £8000 paid out each season) during the interval, the replays on the bend 2 big screen and the post meeting press conference where I can meet and chat with the riders is all great. Add in the warm up & cool down lap(s) where heat wins are celebrated are all part of it for me. I’m also sad enough to read the programme if there is any kind of lull in proceedings. The MX sounds great, have you got the Manchester fixture list as I’ll give it a go in the next fortnight, even if it is twice the cost of watching The Aces?
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I’m not buying the 15 minutes of entertainment thing as there is plenty going on to keep me happy. Don’t let guests or RR keep you from Belle Vue. We’ve not used them at home this year and hardly used them last year. Usage is on a par with the last five decades. One off events alway generate more interest and cannot to compared to weekly or bi weekly events when comparing attendance. With regards Birmingham’s attendance, enough people know when the speedway is on, it’s just they choose not to attend because they don’t like it. This year has seen a decline in attendance at the NSS due to the high profile events pulling focus and the mentioned squeeze on people’s leisure dollar. With the changes mooted I can see this continuing. People will attend, PCMT, Dan’s testimonial, British Final, GP & play offs plus most BH fixtures. The rest will have a few hundred diehards. Aside from junior or amateur stuff I see the sport becoming a BH thrill treat in the not too distant future. IMO it’s gone too far to turn round. It might over many many years build back up but my own thoughts are it’s done in terms of being the sport we all remember.
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One thing missed with all the chatter on here was the excellent team riding from Harris & Cook over Jaimon. It’s not easy to do that at the NSS even if the track is more difficult to pass on like last night. Don’t know if it’s out there or if Lynn can get hold of it but it’s worth a watch. Best I’ve seen at home.
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Heat 14 I get and that would have given Jan 5 rides but the original poster said it could be 7 rides and I’d like to know where they were thinking of using him. You made a good point about Jan being in the 1-5 and having harder rides and this effecting his scores but you then say he should be in heat 15 as he has a chance of beating Dan & Brady. That’s two opposing trains of thought in one paragraph. With regards heat 14, I think there were extenuating circumstances, as Rob doesn’t make the kind of error. I’m sure his thinking will come out as he is always forthcoming about his decision making.
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A mundane run of the mill win with little to get the heart pumping. If the track is as gate’n’go next week the gaters from Ipswich will make mince meat of us. If it’s the usual race track it will be fantastic. Rowes 4+2 was no match for Jans 4+1 from last time and probably cost the stars victory. The win helped put some daylight between us in the qualification table at 8 points (11 if we win the meeting with the Brummies that we have in hand). Will it be enough? Who knows at this stage and that’s what makes the play offs so enthralling. Noricks off night kept things close. His previous league scores are pretty consistent at home with 7+2, 8, 7, 7, 7+2 so hopefully tonight was just one of those nights. Looking at the team declarations he’s one of the better number two’s so hopefully he’ll maintain his usual good form. At just turned 21, he is certainly the youngest and I’m excited to see how he progresses with age.
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I explained the reason for the post, to highlight the ridiculous practice of picking on a random rider that has done no wrong and repeatedly post lies about him whilst refusing to acknowledge or discuss the truth. I have no issue with Richard, he was just top of the list and a means to an end. I’m concerned about the amount of posts saying Jan’s Polish club coerced him into riding as that’s just not right. When Brady received the first of his recent injuries in Prague it was a firm no to all his teams, whether Polish or not. He returns from injury when he feels ready, as it should always be. With regards his track return, I favour him returning abroad if possible. As happened last season I’d rather him give it a go abroad before withdrawing, than over here. It might seem overly biased towards UK speedway but I make no apologies for that. Let him try things out for them rather than run two rides over here then pull out. I’ve paid for my ticket and I want to see the stars I’ve paid for complete all their rides. There’s those that won’t agree but it’s UK all the way for me.
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The BSF trolls think the above post is fine yet if I had posted this on Wednesday the forum would have (it did anyway) gone into meltdown. Brady is genuinely injured and he’ll only miss tomorrow night at most… I guarantee he’ll be back next Monday when The Aces take on the stars. The hypocrisy of the trolls is just ridiculous. All this nonsense about Brady being fit enough to ride on Thursday as his GP performance prove it are equally ridiculous as there is historical factual evidence to refute that opinion. PC came 2nd in Sweden so he’s obviously fit to ride for Belle Vue this week. Kenny Carter came 1st at Coventry so he’s obviously fit to ride for Halifax this week. Tai secured his World Championship gold so he’s obviously fit to ride for Wolves this week. Etc, etc, etc. If you guys are so skilled in assessing injuries, you are wasted on here and should be triaging patients over Zoom to help speed up the waiting time in A&E. There is though the problem that you may be rubbish at it - just a small chance.
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It’s a counter troll move, where you just unfairly pick a rider, make stuff up and run with it. I picked Lawson as he was top of their team not realising that there really is a reason to question his appearance, far more than Brady. He swerved the British Final in 2024 with an “injury” and did the same this year but was bare faced enough to just stick two fingers up to British Speedway and say I’m not bothering. He’ll have to sign for The Aces though before getting any grief from the trolls (even though this wouldn’t be trolling as he was in the wrong) as their attacks are always specifically targeted.
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A rider gets injured. Medical professionals assess the injury and issue a sick note. The rider misses a league meeting or meetings in all countries. The rider makes a comeback and does well. Happening throughout speedways modern era but never a problem until keyboard warriors sense an opportunity to have some “fun”. Whatever floats your boat guys.
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It mystifies me that fans on here can post endlessly in the name of British Speedway about Brady when he has done no wrong yet are happy for their local club to put on regular gate’n’go speedway that has a far greater negative impact on the sport and they say nothing.
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Kurtz? He’s not missed a UK fixture since riding in a foreign league match. Unless you know different.
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Thanks for a reply at last. The reason for being particular about league meetings is since you started this crusade last year there are many on here who genuinely believe Brady picks and chooses his meetings. I couldn’t understand why, on a subject you know well, you weren’t putting them straight. Why keep quiet? The reason is you don’t want the full facts discussed as you have an agenda. A fit Brady has ridden in one championship qualifier whilst subsequently missing a Belle Vue fixture. There was a Polish meeting that due to his injury he did not complete and missed a later Aces meeting. For Brady’s other injuries he has not ridden elsewhere then missed the UK then ridden elsewhere. Fans in this country seem to think injured riders should return to the track when fit, in the UK first which is ridiculous as we can go three weeks without a fixture. Now we come to the individual world championship meeting. This is the hardest to grasp for me. During the fifty odd years I’ve followed the sport I first came across a rider chasing championship glory whilst injured in 1977 when PC rode in Sweden with a leg full of stitches. The media, the fans and other riders only had glowing tributes to pay him for his bravery. The fact he didn’t turn out for Belle Vue despite being “well enough” to come second wasn’t even a talking point. This was the case with Kenny Carters British Final triumph with a broken leg and all the others who have ridden at championship level over the decades whilst injured and missing domestic league meetings. They can only let themselves down when taking the risk to ride but should they chance it in a team meeting then it’s not just them who may suffer. Anyone who has anything but admiration for riders in this situation, I’m sorry to say, is a disgusting speedway fan and a disgraceful human being. We’ll part ways now, so you can troll without rebuke. I would ask though that when it concerns injured riders, please tone it down a bit if not stop completely.
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This thread is like so many others on BSF now. The regular “trolls” descend fairly early on looking for bites with factually incorrect posts solely aimed at causing trouble. Things then escalate as loyal fans rightly back their hero’s. The trolls get off on the interaction and ramp things up either repetitively or with more incredibly bogus posts. Polite attempts to drill down into their inaccurate theories are ignored. Correcting them with factual links usually leads to abuse. You then get faux disgust from them when fans have responded in the same vain as the original fishing post. And repeat. All meaningful debate around the actual meeting is lost as are members on here by the week.
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Do you have a list of the league meetings Brady completed abroad whilst choosing to miss meetings in the UK? Links would be good.
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Doyle and Brady display the same Aussie grit and loyalty to their English clubs that we at Belle Vue have been lucky to experience before with our two Jason’s. They push themselves to the limit sometimes and that can lead to them having to pull out and not see the day out for their respective teams - it’s why we all love them so much.
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It would have been pointless Brady trying to ride on Thursday then subsequently pulling out due to his injury. It happened last year against Sheffield. You have to admire the riders commitment to their UK club but they need to be realistic. Ive even seen several clowns say Belle Vue should be annoyed Brady riding tonight …… he has to come back somewhere for one of his club sides and hopefully all being well will be at Belle Vue Monday as Dan plans to be.