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That's just what we all want isn't it

Gotta be the way to go SCB ;-)

The promotors know what income they have coming in and what on average they pay the riders, is this not in the main the reason they may lower the team average? We, as fans, have no idea what monies are involved so surely cannot say what points limit is best? If a rider has potential he'll be snapped up by some team whatever his average, it's those who are maybe struggling or have gone stagnant that find it hard to get a team surely?

I would prefer quality rather than quantity re the amount of races, if the riders/promotors can provide 15 or even 13 exciting (lots of passing) races the fans will turn out. To me that is the MOST important thing they should be discussing, how to make the racing more exciting! More excitement = more fans?? Surely bringing in guest riders for absent top riders is to supposedly give better value for money to the fans and should provide better racing? Having said that IF there was some way of putting the riders out on more equal machinery maybe the use of guest riders wouldn't be so important as anyone in any race could win?

I think they'll go for young riders with lots to prove, loads of money behind them and those who don't complain about anything.

Having bought the Vintage Speedway Magazine at the ELRC there are numerous mentions in there about how today's bikes are only for flat out riding on slick tracks, and how can the top riders pass one another if they are going flat out on a slick tracks, it's a miracle if anyone can find that tiny bit extra to pass. At the ELRC the first prize was a complete Jawa bike, I wonder what the racing would have been like if the riders had all been on a standard jawa bike? Would the outcome of the races have been more a matter of skill and judgement rather than who could gate the fastest and ride the fastest line? Maybe the outcome would not have been any different given that there will always be riders who can gate better and change their set up better than the others? It would surely close the racing up tho?

One tip ............... improve the racing (amount of passing in races) by whatever means, hopefully in a way that will reduce the costs for the riders and therefore the club and therefore the fans :-) Processional speedway is boring to old fans and new and potential!

IMO they can fiddle about how they like, bring other teams up to the EL etc etc but the one thing that needs to be improved is the racing, although I have only really watched racing at Lynn this season it just isn't good enough or exciting enough for people. Must have more passing.

We know so little about how the sport is financially run, who holds the aces, who pulls the strings, who is involved with our league and the gps, what deal the BSPA have with SKY and what SKY's demands are that it really is a waste of time putting the effort into suggesting anything! One thing I would like to see is closer racing (ie not processions) in all meetings.

Scott would be able to tell peeps exactly what went wrong last night, it sure ain't cos he's a crap rider!!

I was in Denmark too, OleOleOle (hate the name BTW!!!! ), and I agree the GP riders and fans were well proud to reach the final, it was wonderful to be in charge BSI having the rights to this competition spoils it for me though! Having said that I would like to see it over here again because it is a great competition (as long as they get rid of the 5 man races!!!!! which are not needed!!!) with Sheffield and Lynn having rounds

So they have beaten Sweden and GB to announcing their fixtures. How nice we can all work round them once again :roll:

Well whatever he was doing he shouldn't have been IMHO, just not fair on all the rest! Makes absolute total sense to me, doesn't it you??? I just doooooo not know why Ole thinks slick tracks are best. Thas one question I would love answering. Talk to most riders and they think grippy tracks are best, summat wrong somewhere! Now did I say that???????? It produced some good racing BUT NOT AS GOOD AS IT COULD HAVE DONE Gord blast, pass me me blood pressure tablets someone ;-)

Thought thas similar to what I put anyhow ;-) The thing is I know Huggy at Lynn can make a track as grippy or as slick as "he" likes, he knows exactly how much shale to put on, how much water, what conditions the weather will create, what the watertable does etc etc, so yeah I think it was Oles decision to make Bydgoszcz like it was. I may sound hung up on track preparation, u're probably right ... lol Thing is it was only Gollob who'd practised on that track day in and day out (near quote by Julia bradbury!) who could go out wide effectively. I must dig out last years GP from there and compare it, i remember last years to be breathtaking whereas imo this years was not. I think as fans we are right to demand good racing for our money, if we keep accepting processions that's what we will get???

JASON CRUMP WITHOUT A DOUBT!! Crikey that turned out large!! lol

Sounds about right to me. The racing was good but not as good as it could have been there tonight imo.

Rusky wrote: "i find it quite laughable that the BSPA are up in arms, because the FIM (BSI) have dared to re-arrange the Scandinavian GP, causing mayhem to the BSPA's schedule." I'd bet a tenner that there hasn't been one British meeting called off because of the reason BSI have given for this postponement! Please give an example of an insignificant reason why a British fixture has been rearranged to back up your case. Not that I think laying a crap trap is insignificant but by your posting you are implying that the British promotors rearrange meetings at a whim. They have to take numerous factors into account when arranging matches too! I'm also pretty sure that even if a British promotor does rearrange a fixture he/she has/does take into account other clubs when doing so. It's not so much the fans I am considering here, although I feel sorry for them and I would be hell of an angry to be let down if it was me, but the date of rearrangement and effect it has had on other clubs!!!! Jive wrote: "Just face it that Britain is no longer the no1 place to be for speedway." I have certainly not implied that I think Britain in number one for speedway worldwide but IT IS FOR ME 100% and that's what I want to protect. Watching speedway on the box is not my priority.

He/she wants us to guess obviously. All that is important here is the truth! The riders are held to ransom by all promotors and cannot give their side of the story, or very rarely. Mind you like people say, if you knew what really goes on you wouldn't support speedway ...... ouch!

So you really don't care then Jive as long as you get your GP fix on TV, oh dear, how sad!

No doubt there's always Sky Extra

Dead right SL. It's a pity that all British Speedway fans can't see the bigger picture. OK so it's good to watch the top riders racing against one another for the World Championship BUT NOT at the expense of our leagues. I still think it would have been possible to restage the meeting on Sunday at a permanent swedish track, all the equipment and riders and fans were there. But BSI wouldn't do that because half their sponsors are the Polish arm of the big companies and they know they wouldn't have been happy with all the top riders out of their Polish League meetings. BUT they had no hesitation restaging it next Saturday when it hits BRITISH RACING big time!! Surely no british fan can disagree that there is something wrong with their decision?? We await their press release tomorrow, surely they will cancel the event completely or hold it on a mutually agreed date with the world leagues?

Of course Middlo should get another term in office ................. I for one look forward to all TeamGB matches in 2004, let's hope there's a few more of them

As long as the promotors money is at stake I don't think they will want to give over the reigns to a single individual. When the sport is so up and down in the popularity stakes their job is made so much more difficult. If only speedway could attract thousands more fans and sponsors then their problems would be solved.

The damned track was dangerous imo, look at it from a rider's point of view .................

My m8 and I were out in Denmark for the race-off and WTC final and we were 100% proud of our British team. Their performances at Outrup were especially satisfying, it was wonderful to have the upper edge, as we did last year at Sheffield, and it was only the skill/engine set up/experience (pick which ya like) of Leigh Adams and Jason Crump (2 of the top 5 riders in the WORLD) in the last 2 races that stopped us winning. It was also touching for us fans that the whole team threw their bouquets, after the presentation, to the contingent of british supporters. We were all out there to support "our" team and it was brilliant to be recognised by them in that way Onto the final at Vojens, had a word with Middlo before the meeting and he said the guys were all well up to do a good job, there was no doubting their passion, will and determination. Although the result defied their effort, the spirit of the team can only take TeamGB onto bigger and better results. Here's to them all and here's to TeamGB 2004!!!! Thanks.