Crump99

I wouldn't trust the majority of PCC to tell me it's Thursday! Irrespective of their enthusiasm, if the local plan was agreed and not changed then they need to explain why a high profile existing Peterborough sporting facility is being lost without provision of an alternative elsewhere? Permission for EoES development would not be agreed otherwise. That's there in black & white (are you allowed to say that these days?). I don't get the dog track too close to houses. It's no closer now than it has ever been and is not an area likely to be swamped with houses in future. Any noise issues wouldn't be unsurmountable IMO. As for POSH, when you see an artists impression and timeline in the local paper you know that it hasn't been thought through or agreed with all parties and other considerations. The nice graphic is usually the only thing produced at the end of it all.

Responded to a fan's concern (on a specific, not organisational question) via e-mail yesterday so no he hasn't gone. My understanding is that he was unfortunately on leave and it all went a bit pear shaped with him being out of the country.

Bigger problem is potential demolition but if the proposal hasn't got to council and they want to agree with their local plan for the EoES then they can refuse the Fengate Land Holdings Limited (FLHL) application and a deal can be agreed to move Peterborough Speedway in with a sensible curfew to appease the few locals: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-64335400

Rumour I heard last meeting (only a rumour but logical if the Adopted Local Plan was confirmed by PCC) was that the EoES developers had helped the club buy some land to agree with Policy LP36: East of England Showground "The loss of any existing leisure and sports facilities will not be supported unless replacement facilities are provided in accordance with policy LP30". LP30 - Existing Culture, Leisure, Tourism and Community Facilities The loss, via redevelopment, of an existing culture, leisure, tourism or community facility will only be permitted if it is demonstrated that: k. The facility is demonstrably no longer fit for purpose and the site is not viable to be redeveloped for a new community facility; or l. The service provided by the facility is met by alternative provision that exists within reasonable proximity: what is deemed as reasonable proximity will depend on the nature of the facility and its associated catchment area; or m. The proposal includes the provision of a new facility of a similar nature and of a similar or greater size in a suitable on or off-site location. k, The EoES is still fit for purpose; l, is a bit tenuous and potentially open to interpretation and argument; m, there is no provision on or off site so without it the Showground can't throw out Peterborough Speedway and agree with the Local Plan?

Agreed but not his fault or rocket science is it? (not having a go at you, just looking at the problem). The pits don't let him out; those who did must have heard the start of the announcement? If it's too late then those on the mic can see, same as everyone else, what's going on so shut up until he's stopped and off track.

hansfan is generally worth taking notice of and a fair judge. I'd say that he's basing his judgement on more than one season when Worrall turned up at the EoES against a terrible Panthers team. One swallow doesn't make a summer. Has anyone got the 2021 stats as a comparison?

Rather than new era it did have more of end of an era feel to it unfortunately. The last opening night at the EoES and that was a very disappointing effort. My mate raised the issues of those bulbs last year and I think that the response was that they wouldn't/couldn't do anything until they had confirmation about a full 2023 season. Well they got that but still 9 of those 24 bulbs are out. That's 37% of the available light not working and does create dark areas, especially bend 2 as you say. Isn't that a H&S issue? How does the ref proceed under those circumstances? Anyone know what the heat 7 interval was about? Communication/information non existent as per usual (unless I missed it due to ineffective PA).

Agreed. Looking forward to seeing the track record holder as well.

Agreed. Yesterday's news/chip paper. Nothing is going to change and Peterborough have their 7. Move on!

He's still down as TM on the club website, but then again, Danny King is still down as the track record holder so accuracy doesn't kick in for about 4 years.

Laguta by a mile but too late now.

The thought that anyone of his standing and experience wouldn't know his own set up or work out pretty quickly that something isn't working is a bit of a stretch.

It's a David Brent moment as the dart smacks in to something somehow: “Sh** flights on those aren't they?”

Agreed. Injury prone & coming back from a bad one at the age of 46 as of April 2. A great rider once (but not even then in 2011 at the EoES). Hopefully we've done better.

Did you think that there would be a future after 2023 (which was also once in doubt let's not forget)? Unless the EoES is available in 2024 then I think that we're screwed regardless.

That'll soon clear all of the pre-season negativity and the never ending administrative shenanigans.

To answer Klindt's question: he's been around long enough to know better: Season tickets (and we're not talking big numbers) are generally bought by supporters who will be going anyway, regardless of the final team. You get hassle free entry, parking and programme. 2023 is expected to be the last opportunity to sample the sport at the majestic EoES. Peterborough fans don't (or shouldn't if they've been around long enough) expect, since Rathbone left in recent times, customer orientated efficient administration & communications - it's British Speedway after all! (there may be good reasons in this case?) Thank you

Aah the memories: Rathbone, Godfrey and funnily enough a Holder

So true. Nearly put that myself but didn't want to go off on a tangent. So many similarities between Coventry & Peterborough, in that we've both suffered the sublime and ridiculous ends of the promotional merry go round!

It's been like that since Chapman took over though so why are people kicking off now. His prime objective is/was sustainability & cost above success and popularity. It could be said that he succeeds. It's yours and others choice whether they support/pay for that, clearly enough do.

Given that 2023 looked unlikely to happen at all at one point and 2024 is a pipe dream (If you think that Tomalin is the answer and PCC will be supportive then you may need to revisit that) then I'd enjoy the moment and be a bit more supportive of those putting in the time, effort & money in to give you speedway to watch and attend in the coming season. (just made bratters spit out his coffee ) Yes it's a cock up and has all of the business skill and communication output of a secondary school project but that's speedway, who's surprised? As Peterborough fans we know all too well what happens when you get an owner/promoter who wants to take the sport up a notch and take it in to the real world.

If you're starting point is that paper never refuses ink then you'll never be disappointed when nothing happens as is usually the case.

Depends whether you've looked at who he beat and factor in how pants Panthers were last season. Is 2022 alone good measure?

Sounds like it's a time-limited sorry mess. Make the most of 2023 folks because 2024 in any suitable form seems to be disappearing over the horizon?

Given that he started the thread and is a poster on speed (not literally to avoid confusion) I'd guess that he's read all of it. I couldn't make out what's pathetic about it either. Most of social media is pathetic anyway and forums have been speedway's devil incarnate for 25 years or more. Everyone knows what they are going to get don't they? It's often puerile nonsense so surely that's the starting point if you choose to read?