RobMcCaffery

Bus fare for Batchelor?

Helicopter for Holder. Taxi for Batchelor?

Not the best example of team riding.

That would depend on the Torun juniors being able to beat Bydgoszcz's top five. Looking unlikely after Igor's second ride.

Can't this particular derby being repeated for a long time.

There's a heck of a lot of money going into Polish speedway. Great, unless the spending's higher......

It appears that the track story is being doubted, as per the Twitter story posted by KingofTheTrack and that Cieslak's departure may be directly linked. The TV pictures will reveal a great deal, I suspect.

Sportowe Fakty report they're fighting to recover from the track being flooded. https://sportowefakty.wp.pl/zuzel/896033/zuzel-na-wlokniarzu-zalalo-stadion-tor-i-park-maszyn-byly-pod-woda-hit-ze-stala-

Several weakened sides tonight. Dackarna minus Berntzon Indianerna minus Fricke Lejonen minus Klindt and Tungate Masarna minus Pawlicki - presumably riding for Grudziadz tomorrow, also minus Hansen - riding for Rzeszow tomorrow. Piraterna minus Ellis - riding for Rzeszow tomorrow Vastervik minus Doyle -, riding for Czestochowa tomorrow Vetlanda minus Sundstrom but in comes Ljung, hopefully fit. Makes you wonder next year how many riders might be missing from the Premiership on Thursdays if their Polish teams have matches on Fridays.

This section of the forum is rapidly plummetting to the childish standards of the main British section.

He didn't post for several weeks then uploaded a couple. There's new providers constantly energing and I wouldn't be surprised if some might be him. There was our old dependable Speedway For All who was very useful until he was presumably tracked down.

David Hawkins era. If it wasn't used then it can't be dropped of course. No need for the sarcasm. Sorry I didn't have time to survey the Panthers fans. I DID say "so I'm told". Hawkins used to spend his Sundays at Rye House, especially in the pub before the meeting, talking to old friends of mine. That's the source.

Philips 2000.

If it happens tomorrow I'll try a screen grab, suitably compressed to avoid scaring Phil.

Typical Midland head-banger. It's all the heavy industry Did you know Peterborough used to use "Don't Fear The Reaper" as their parade music, so I'm told? Wonder why that got dropped?

Clearly the rider scramble starts now, making early season predictions worthless, especially mine re Masarna. Apologies. We have a situation now where many teams are over-reliant on heat leaders with juniors, normally Swedish or Danish adding a few points from second string. A few pairings have riders who are more 'balanced'. With pairings riding together at least four times per meeting it's easier to read the structure of teams and where the 'power houses' are. Under this format I'd suggest rider-replacement is to be avoided. Certainly replacing r/r with even a rider like Pawlicki who is enduring an awful season at home, has transformed Masarna. One thing we do know is whether a team is going to make the play-offs - they all are. Interesting times but not necessarily on track. CMore chose the right match last night with the other three being very processional with just the odd decent race.

That's nothing compared to Hungarian A UK Sky News reporter once disgraced herself by reporting from Red Square in Moscow that the Russians used the Acrylic script. Poland, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Hungary, Romania, parts of former Yugoslavia all use Latin, although the Magyars are not Slavic. Definitely last post on this although how can how you write and pronounce Polish riders' names actually be off-topic?

Strange. They come up with no data, just the headings. I gave them plenty of time to load. The same happened last week. Not easy to post screen grabs here.

SVEMO seem to delete these provisional line-ups on the afternoon of the match. They're all blank now (14.18 BST). Sportowe Fakty are still carrying the line-ups. https://sportowefakty.wp.pl/zuzel/terminarz

I was just answering a question.... Apologies, discussion closed on my side.

Many thanks Henry. Always good to encounter intelligent life. I had chosen to avoid terms such as 'diacritical marks' to avoid head explosions. The translation from Latin to Cyrillic and back reminds me of the fun to be had from translating a block of English text into another language in Google Translate and back. The results can be excellent for breaking the ice at parties. I do recall Lebedev being on his 2019 kevlars. Obviously time's moved on. I believe the survival of letters such as q, x and z in English is to maintain the sales of Scrabble. Regarding the Ekstaliga, Leszno and Zielona Gora look certainties. Lublin have tough home matches against Czestochowa and Zielona Gora but aways at Rybnik and Grudziadz. If their spirit and Zagar's form hold the cherry picker hires should continue to the end of September... Czestochowa have Rybnik and Gorzow at home but Leszno and Lublin away. If they can reverse their latest run they still stand a good chance. Wroclaw only have one home match left, against Gorzow so it's their away matches that will determine their chances. These are at Grudziadz, Rybnilk and Zielona Gora so there are points there to be taken. Gorzow's last place was a false position given their lack of home matches. Their last aways are Czestochowa and Wroclaw. I don't see them ,making it even if they're on a winning run at home. Likewise Grudziadz have a tough final four, Lublin and Wroclaw at home and Leszno and Gorzow away. I don't see them making it either. I go for Leszno, Zielona Gora, Lublin and Wroclaw, depending on those winnable away matches. Even Zielona have had their 'moments' at home. I also don't win at gambling, mainly because all I go in for is the National Lottery. Seen too many wealthy bookies

They don't have v because they use w instead and l with a bar gives them w. It's just how languages evolve. Most central European languages, including German use w for v. The Germans pronounce v as f. They probably think it's odd we use v in the way we do. It's only the same as how languages evolve with different words for the same thing.

Announcing/commentating isn't as easy as some might think.

I suspect it's the same for the Swedes.

Bear in mind the Russian names are translations from the Russian script, cyrillic, so there is no official spelling in our alphabet. We convert to how we would spell the names and the Poles their way. Their w is a v sound so what we would call Victor would be Wiktor in Polish, and something looking totally different but sounding pretty much the same n Russian. Going back over the years the English translations have varied. Take Grigori Chlinovsky, aka Grigory Khlinovsky. Likewise Grigori/Grigory/Grigorij Laguta. The problem gets more complex with Latvia where two alphabets are in use, Russian and Latvian so an ethnic Russian's name in his own language may be Andrei Lebedev (check the back of his kevlars) or Andzejs Lebedevs in Latvian! In English we have very few accents over or under letters like the e in cafe. Other languages have many. I don't want to wrestle with the keyboard too much but taking the Antonio Lindback case. The a in Lindback in Swedish has a double dot accent over the a, known in German as an umlaut, making his name phonetically closer to Lindbeck. In English we don't use that accent so we usually add an e to the vowel, hence the occasional use of Lindbaeck. The English alphabet isn't flexible to accommodate all these accents, usually applied to vowels to change their sounds. We compromise, and in so doing often get the pronunciation of foreign names very wrong. A y in Swedish is usually pronounced more like ew or a g like a y. The Poles don't just mess with vowels which is why Lech Walesa's name is pronounced Vawensa and Lodz as Woodz. In both cases the l has a bar across it, changing it to w. How do you cope? Compromise. We convert foreign names to our alphabet as best as we can and the pronunciations accordingly. Other nations do the same. I remember being amused at the 1982 Intercontinental Final at Vetlanda announcer refer to Kelly Moron. Well, he as many things, but not that.... It works in reverse. The Russians don't use the letter h so to get close to that sound they use a mix of x and i. I learned this when I covered ice racing n Russia using a programme obviously written in Russian and with the names similarly treated. It took a while to find Jarmo Hirvasoja..... So, it's all compromise in adjusting from one alphabet to another. Our lack of accents being used with vowels helps make English a tricky language to learn. Just a final one, Google Translate can offer some interesting translations. Dawid/Wiktor Leopard (Lampart) , Rafal Innkeeper (Karczmarz), Pawel Month (Miesiac). Oh and speedway to Zuzel, or .....Slag....... Hope this makes sense.