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So under that system you would have forced Paul Starke to have retired at the end of 2011 after he had done five years NL racing and was still well short of PL standard.

Wouldn't that make Tony Atkin's average 7.16 x 2.45 = 17.54

Unusually I heard this news on the BBC TV local news before I read it anywhere else!

All the best to the new Plymouth promotion. Hope it works out.

I have the competed programme. It is a very odd format. Oddst aspect is the use of reserves - Kevin Bowen is named as Poole reserve, but his only ride was in replacing Wimbledon's Patrick Lawson, and similarly Ashley Pullen (programmed as Reading reserve) had his only ride against Reading for Belle Vue. message me with your e-mail and I'll send you a scan.

link here: https://www.facebook.com/events/1859224984364028/

He rode 31 matches for 7 teams scoring 117 points from 136 rides. That is an average of 3.44 Most of these would be classified as a guest. His Colts record was 11 matches for a 2.92 average. (NB from aktuellspeedway, not always 100% reliable)

No Wolves or Poole pairings!

It is worth pointing out that these are not people whose livelihood is dependent on the SCB or BSPA and who have the interests of speedway at heart. That said whether the new set up will prove more effective remains to be seen.

I imagine the lease (and it may only be a licence to occupy anyway) can't be assigned without the consent of the school (as landlords) so the only assets the administrators are seeking to realise would be the odd bit of track equipment and the intangible value of the right to run speedway in Plymouth (however that is in the gift of the BSPA). I'm assuming riders contracts (a debatable concept as an asset) have already reverted to the BSPA.

While we are on the subject of Americans, what average would Becker, Nicol and the Ruml's come over on? (Based on past assessments I'd expect Dillon Ruml on 5.00 and the others on 7.00 because they've ridden in the WTC - but that is really just a guess)

Aren't the Stead's (Simon, Ian...) also related to the Allott clan?

Not sure about that. His career had stagnated and by 2012 he was a sub six point rider in the NL for Isle of Wight (having fallen from 8+ in 2010 for the same team). He performed suprisingly well in the PL for Berwick in 2013 averaging 3.61, upping that to 4.79 in 2014 at Somerset. So he was on a clear upward trajectory before he joined Poole. He was certainly one of the biggest beneficiaries of the 'fast track' scheme but I don't think Poole can claim to be responsible for that anymore than Birmingham or Leicester who also benefitted from his services. Bottom line he is a rider I would be happy to have in my team.

I don't think they will. The 4.00 is the minimum assessed average which would most likely only apply to the likes of Hummel and Gappmaier. Like waihekeaces I would prefer a formula based approach, but I imagine the BSPA are continuing the expert assessment route (is it still Peter Oakes?) and Drabik would come in at 8 or 9.

All are riders with very decent careers, who have suffered a variety of injuries between them (some very serious) and deserve a bit of respect for what they have achieved.

It's in the Sports Safety legislation. The guide at http://safetyatsportsgrounds.org.uk/publications/green-guide specifically mentions speedway! (page 12) Details about responsible employee are on pages 25-26

So Nikolai Klindt 2016 EL ave 6.36 Patrick Hougaard 2016 EL ave 6.22 but averages for 2017 will be: Klindt 5.42 (from PL) Hougaard 8.71 (EL x 1.4) hmm? What will the points limit in the PL be after the first set of new averages? [should really be about 42 in both leagues) Or will riders have a single average be calculated with points weighted 1.4 PL to 1.0 CL - this is done in Denmark - if so the PL points limit needs to be about 58 once the new averages kick in) Are there any changes to doubling up rules? In particular is the two restriction still in force? What if a rider doubles up for the Championship play-off winners and the bottom team in the Premiership? (as Paul Starke did this year). Are there new rules for assessing new foreigners and other riders without a 2016 average? So if a rider breaks his leg on 31 July, it's guests all the way for the rest of the season? Will there be squads as per 2016? Or is it acknowledged that this year's scheme was poorly conceived? (Personally I'd keep the concept of the spare double upper than junk the rest of the squad rules)

Including riders already mentioned: Jim Quarmby Barnsley (1930), Hector Quadro Argentina 2007-09 Santiago Quadro Argentina 2013 Chris Quigley Australia Berwick 1973-74 Allan Quinn 1950s Australia Harringay Jorgen Qvistgaard Denmark 2006 Morten Qvistgaard Denmark 2005-06 Cyril Quick GB Bristol 1947-48 Giuseppe/Stefano Quargentan Italy 1972-4 Steve Quick GB Halifax Jnr 1985 Bob Quick SA 1948 Edin. Aston Quin NZ 1952 Hector Quevedo USA 2001-2007 David Quick USA 2000-01 Robi Quick USA 2004 And no I don't think I have seen any of them!

Yes really http://www.speedwaygb.co/news.php?extend.31548

It has been stated earlier on this thread that the rule no longer appears to be operative and has been ignored several times this season. Can anyone actually provide the specific instances when this has occured?

And yet he nominated the ineligible Darryl Ritchings for heat 15 last Wednesday.

But 19.3.3 refers to home team number one, and James Shanes appears to be guesting for the AWAY team for the second time in 8 days.

But as I understand it, to be classified as self-employed, you must be able to offer your services to whoever you like, whenever you like. Not necessarily true. Tests of employment vs self-employment are numerous and no one test over-rides others . For example a self-employed consultant could easily have a clause in the contract for services that prevents him/her offering services to a client/customer's direct competitor. And then of course, there is the matter of riders being "assets" and how that reconciles with the notion of free self-employment. Complete red herring as the asset system is nothing to do with employment, it is specific to sport. And technically riders are not assets, it is the contract that is the asset.

I'm pretty sure that speedway riders are still self-employed. Looking at all the leading cases (e.g. Lorimer) I think that it is still quite clear that speedway riders are self-employed. (For example whose responsibility is it to find a substitute if the rider can't perform services because they are working elsewhere?) And this is an employment tribunal so does not set a precedent that displaces existing tax case law. [Note I used to earn my living explaining tax law to accountants]

agree with all your points http://www.speedway-forum.co.uk/forums/index.php?showtopic=80540&p=2741362