Speedtiger

Yes many many times and that’s why I gave him the appropriate rating! I also give the same rating as a manager

Well ok so go on explain away the set up and where I’m wrong?

We have the best track and stadium in the UK and what has improved at the club over the past 5 years is very little. Crowds have not increased, no significant sponsors on board. Catering at the stadium is a joke. BV have given up running the stadium now, we are back to square one and deep in debt…and now we have a third rate speedway rider in charge…what could possibly go wrong..!!!

I also had ‘dealings’ with Smith and found him to be arrogant and frankly clueless! How you can say he’s a top class businessman with club losses and debts running at many many hundreds of thousands of pounds and the club going backwards over the past 5 years. Sadly for BV Lemon is not fit to run the club as he has proved with his poor team management.

NOT a surprise really, the big surprise it took so long. BV has been badly managed by these to clowns. Smith knew nothing about speedway and judging by the losses at bv next to nothing about business. Lemon who’s clueless about business and by bv results and team management knows very little about running a speedway team. At the bottom line you have to look at the owners off bv for making very poor appointments in a sport and business the know nothing about. Clearly they thought they could make a quick profit and how wrong have they been. Lemon in charge is yet another serious desperate blunder. Where this will take bv is anybody guess but the future looks very uncertain.

Really hope so coz I’m looking forward to seeing Tai coming past the finish line giving the bv fans the finger again

Wrong again. The Belle Vue company directors are William Anthony Rice and Robin Simon Southwell. They're the people responsible for the club. Ok but you are splitting hairs…I didn’t say he is a company director I said he a director (speedway) of the club and that means he’s responsible for running the club along with side kick Smith. The success or failure and the enormous losses is 100% down to them to. And as I’ve said before after 5 years of failure they should be given the boot. But we will see.

Lemon is a director of the club and as such is fully responsible. The way bv is set up Lemo has more control and involvement in the success or failure of the club than Smith. Smith really does what Lemo says because he still doesn’t know how speedway works. He plays the big bv boss but that’s all about his ego. The money the club loses isn’t there’s and they still pick up there wages so they probably not that worried. They’ve had 5 years to get things right at bv and they haven’t. Any other business they failed in and they’d be sacked.

Well ok but they are supposed to run the club as a business and there first priority is make money. They failed and the club will go bust if they continue to be in place. They have the best track and stadium and yet in 5 years in charge have just gone through the motions, they are lazy and just playing at it and haven’t promoted bv and taken the club forward. These people are supposed to be top well paid management and really they haven’t a clue how to run a speedway club. Them horrendous figures speak for themselves and is factual proof that they don’t know what they doing. That’s why they should be given the boot and that’s how real serious business works, if you can’t cut it, you’re out!

Them figures are incredibly bad and certainly no laughing matter. After five years in charge at bv and not really taking the club forward at all and not running it as a proper business racking up five years of huge losses surely it’s now time for Smith and Lemon to be sacked and new good managers put in place who know what they are doing as the big question is how long can these enormous losses continue before the club goes bust? The way thing is, speedway has zero chance of recovering from its bankrupt state and the people running the sport have proved they are clueless in how to change things around and I’m sure many other clubs are also losing a lot of money.

I can’t think this bv promotion would take on any old debts as it was a new start business and not there responsibility. I fairly sure and remember a article in the speedway star that the council held a huge sum of cash back from the builder for the defective track problem so that would clear most if not all debts.

Thanks again you learn something new every day. So tell me why does it show (£630,000) on the 2020 accounts then, what does that refer two.?

Ok thanks for that info, so all is financially good at bv. Good news even though I thought figures in brackets were bad and signified loss.

Well apparently the figures is all in black and white on company house web site.

They run the club now for 5 years and lost money every year and I’m told the bv 2020 accounts show eye watering £630,000 losses which is up over £100k from 2019. I thought smith and his lot was top rate business people. First rule in business is make money. They’ll never get that money back from a sport that’s seriously bust!

Agree, what a joke this management is. They are clueless. No wonder they are losing a fortune every season.

don’t suppose Gordon or Mort read these posts hear but it would be good if do to find out the truth of what happened. I were told after they fell out at the end they don’t speak which if true is a bit sad with what they achieved for BV and the sport. See these links in the paper about the track. https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/other-sport/speedway/belle-vue-aces-chris-morton-12139248&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwjVz87Dz5_1AhUUSPEDHZCrBD0QFnoECAkQAg&usg=AOvVaw2Bs7mH6ny3e9s5-9-VgLjF https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/belle-vue-aces-bosses-say-12129749

I listened to the 5-1 show interview and it’s incredible the problems and hurdles Gordon and Mort had to get over which took 10 years to get NSS built which was the biggest thing to happen in recent history of speedway ever. They should write a book and also expose the treachery of the BSPA that Mort alluded to in the show.

Fair point iainb but they are all to blame really for letting speedway irreversibly decline into a Micky Mouse sport. I no promoters at times do have there differences but Im told that Chapman and Godfrey are even disliked and not trusted by there fellow promoters. So no wonder uk speedway is in a terminal mess.

To a point I agree, but under Chapman and Godfrey’s term in charge at the BSPA serious damage to the sport was inflicted. The chief clown Chapman got rid of the Speedway’s office manager who I understand ran the show evenhanded and that cost a lot of cash just so he could have full control of things without being question including BSPA money to waste on the engine fiasco. Proving the man is clueless at business. He also was up to all sorts of jiggery pokerary trying to get his hands on other clubs all at the time he runs a dump stadium with a cabbage patch track at KL.

That’s no excuse, the village idiot Chapman is an ignorant bully boy who clearly thinks pushing and pulling people about is the right thing to do. Interesting that no one complied with his pathetic rant. The man is a disgrace to our sport.

So depressing accurate but talk about the writing was on the wall…it could have been made last year!! When you look at Chapmans behaviour it’s of little surprise the sport has spiralled in to a big black hole. He exudes incompetence and yet he was allowed to eventually run the sport, sadly into the ground.

Yeah.

Yeah I’m right about who’s to blame, you only have to see the damage they done and were speedway is currently. As far as my recovery plan, I’m not running the sport, it’s for them lot to figure that out!

Correction, I do not think ‘everyone’ is a clueless clown but I rightly describe Chapman and Godfrey and some at the BSPA as clueless clowns as they are guilty of running our sport into the ground. They need to be called out as at the end of the day they are to blame and they have no answers or recovery plans to get speedway out of the mess they caused.