Falcon1983

doubt he even reads the forum to be honest but do screenshot it and let him know!

well lets have a look shall we.... Martin Vaculik Slovakia Frederik Jakobsen Denmark Nicki Pedersen Denmark Jason Doyle Australia Jaimon Lidsey Australia Rohan Tungate Australia Chris Holder Australia Max Fricke Australia Nico Covatti Italy Tomas H Jonasson Sweden Jacob Thorsell Sweden Kai Huckenbeck Germany Michael Haertel Germany Pontus Aspgren Sweden Timo Lahti Finland Peter Kildemand Denmark Rasmus Jensen Denmark Niels Kristian Iversen Denmark David Bellego France Ludvig Lindgren Sweden Joel Andersson Sweden Dimitri Berge France Adrian Miedzinski Poland Linus Sundstroem Sweden Victor Palovaara Sweden Josh Grajczonek Australia Krystian Pieszczek Poland Rene Bach Denmark Claus Vissing Denmark Jonas B Andersen Denmark I am sure someone will tell me if i am wrong but haven't most of these riders ridden in the UK over the past 2-3 completed seasons or have been linked to racing here again? I am simply asking that people are saying there are a lack of riders but would some of these have ridden in the UK if travel restrictions allowed, plus add Klindt to that list Pedersen agreed to ride, Vaculik has ridden in the UK although briefly, Kildemand, Doyle, Rasmus Jensen, Covatti etc.

if for 2022 restriction ease for travel, how many of these riders do you think could be enticed either back or into British Speedway? Marcus Birkemose Denmark Martin Vaculik Slovakia Anders Thomson Denmark Jonas Jeppesen Denmark Kenneth Bjerre Denmark Patrick Hansen Denmark Frederik Jakobsen Denmark Nicki Pedersen Denmark Jason Doyle Australia Jaimon Lidsey Australia Rohan Tungate Australia Chris Holder Australia Petr Chlupac Czech Francis Gusts Latvia Andzej Lebedevs Latvia Max Fricke Australia Matej Zagar Slovakia Jan Kvech Czech Nico Covatti Italy Tomas H Jonasson Sweden Jacob Thorsell Sweden Matthew Gilmore Australia Keynan Rew Australia Kai Huckenbeck Germany Michael Haertel Germany Fraser Bowes Australia Pontus Aspgren Sweden Michael Jepsen Jensen Denmark Timo Lahti Finland Peter Ljung Sweden Peter Kildemand Denmark Philip Hellstroem Baengs Sweden Ben Ernst Germany Rasmus Jensen Denmark Lukas Gienhage Germany Kevin Juhl Pedersen Denmark Niels Kristian Iversen Denmark Kim Nilsson Sweden Alexander Woentin Sweden Oliver Berntzon Sweden David Bellego France Andreas Lyager Denmark Brayden McGuiness Australia Mathias Thoernblom Sweden Jason Joergensen Denmark Mathias Nielsen Denmark Ludvig Lindgren Sweden Joel Andersson Sweden Dimitri Berge France Adrian Miedzinski Poland Linus Sundstroem Sweden Victor Palovaara Sweden Josh Grajczonek Australia Krystian Pieszczek Poland Rene Bach Denmark Grzegorz Zengota Poland Claus Vissing Denmark Jonas B Andersen Denmark

It's easy, as only maybe 2 or 3 riders dont double down from the prem, make it to Championship standard so the 6 prem sides come down with Glasgow, Kent, Leicester & Poole rebrand it as the British League, 10 sides. Leaving the other 8 clubs, Mildenhall and any second sides such as the Colts to run in the National League circa 12-14 sides No rider currently a heat leader in the Championship can double down from British League to National League, use the rising star system extend it to no.6 and no.7 but have a squad system of 3 riders per club in the top league. National League for Commonwealth riders only

Thought the starke/kemp 5-1 could of been a turning point but then I should probably not think

Witches failed to capitalise on a 5-1

These are only the figures they accounted for, if the world goes cashless then Speedway will be over If these were true losses they wouldn't do it Most probably saying they got 300 in the gate when it's more like 900, speedway is small enough to get away with being investigated

what a way to go out though

Sponsor a club and become team manager, be interesting to see how this one pans out......

Yeah he did, but I think if you take 100 riders from other disciplines you might get 2 or 3 who could probably go straight in at a good level the rest would probably have to go through some sort of development league

I understand from memory an Ipswich based Road Racer called Kieran Murphy I believe he raced Superstock 1000 class, he stopped road racing and had some goes on a Speedway bike but don't think he raced competitively, not sure if that was down to costs or just not picking the sport up quick enough to earn money, he would not have been super young and i guess you need riders that would pick it up straight away and be competitive to earn and the younger ones would be more patient going through the development or national leagues

If you look at Road Racing such as British Superbikes, Bemsee/MRO events which feeds riders into BSB or those that just do it for the hobby, there are 1000's of riders who all have the same goal to become World Superbike or MotoGP championship, it costs an absolutely **** load of money to progress in Superbikes, even at BSB level unless you are highly sponsored where you keep a % as a wage, 95% of riders pay to ride there are very few who get paid to race, and there is no prize money as such only incentives across certain rounds to make money In the world paddocks in the same, bring loads of cash with limited riders getting paid to race, even some factory support seats its a paid seat As ringsitneck has just said, you need to get people at training days with ex or current riders, why not write to kids who do Moto X, Grasstrack, mini bikes, road racing etc. and say come and give it a try, its a sport where at least you get points money, bit cheaper than the journey in road racing, even if you unearth 3 or 4 new riders per year its a start then you need to build a structure that is appealing for British youngsters to take up the sport over something else like BSB

Then you look to see if Eurosport can work with a Saturday program where the racing is at night time 7pm - 9.30pm programme, gates can open at 5pm with all the pre-event offerings of meet the riders, merchandise stands, start line girls, simulators, tech tent to learn more about bikes, meeting ex championships, track walks or whatever it is Next problem will be "British riders are racing in Poland" well yes you would lose Bewley from the line up but you replace him with the next available Brit, you make the series worthwhile for those british riders who don't make it or have not made it in Poland Another problem, stadium availability, yeah with some perhaps but if worked in advance then the majority should be fine Another problem, what happens if there is a GP on the TV? again its about scheduling, If Eurosport would move this to a Saturday then they would want it scheduled on non GP days anyway even if it was same day for any reason big screens at venues to not miss the GP action maybe? or punters recording it and watching it at home or people watching at home will record one and watch one live etc.

I never said it was to bring in new fans, what I listed is to get current and old fans off their behinds and to attend meetings, that should be the first thing that the sport does reconnect with existing fans as they know what the sport is about, so you make the grand prix series I've mentioned already more of an experience by offering things additionally,still people have the option to turn up 15 minutes before the racing I've not mentioned anything about what I would do to attract more fans, this is all purely for a grand prix style British championship

Yeah mate I mean just in this instance as Ian needs answers nobody can give on here

You dont make it a full day, you make it worthwhile in terms of what you get for your money, so it could be that events are hosted two hours before the event starts Meet the riders, getting photo opportunities on bikes, signed photos etc. You could have a speedway workshop with an ex rider talking through what a speedway bike is, set ups, etc. Which for a new fan or a child would be quite interesting Maybe open the sport up to an onsite mobile betting company and have betting stations Meet and greet the pit girls Meet and greet legends of british speedway ex british champions Virtual reality speedway simulator Merchandise stands Speedway museum stands Probably more to add if you really think more into it For £15/20 you'll walk away thinking that was value for money

British Superbikes as a prime example, every championship is LIVE on Eurosport every round yet they still get huge crowds Why? Because potentially its more of a day out, its a one-off event for some that they see LIVE every year, its more of a spectacle To make Eurosport and a £20 entry work will mean having to present a program LIVE at the track that will make people want to come over watching at home on TV, most sports that are televised still generate a crowd, it would seem with league racing Speedway does not, so after all is the fan the problem for the sport? I used £20 as a ball park figure, it could be less, it could be more

Phone up the club and ask if you're that desperate to know, instead of asking other people on a forum who didn't make the decision, let us know what the club says

I've said probably too many times now that the sport in the UK is for developing riders for Poland in the main then potentially Sweden, if you are a rider getting opportunities to ride in Polands top 2 divisions or in Sweden is a "goal" for all riders no matter what they say, its where the money is, its where progression is, so at the moment we are a training ground for many nationalities to learn their craft, improve their skillset and also go into the shop Window for Poland. However, how many make it? not many! and what happens when they do make it, most of the time British Speedway is then left behind as they can't commit to it, which is not a dig, its just what it is. So, what happens to the domestic riders who don't make it to Poland, how do they make the sport pay? which riders need to make the sport pay domestically? British Speedways main event of its own calendar should be a British Grand Prix style championship, I would call it the "British Super 12 Grand Prix Championship" why Super 12? because it will feature 12 riders across 12 rounds, two rounds per month starting April, May, June, July, August & September fitting domestic speedway into a calender that does not run before April and does not run after September. An example of the Super 12 Line Up could be Bewley, Wright, S. Worrall, R. Worrall, Cook, King, Lawson, Kerr, Nicholls, Harris, Ellis, Schlein - anyone who runs on a British Licence. Format is simple 12 heats with riders getting 4 rides (one ride from each gate) all points scored go into the overall standings table, top 4 from each round go into a "final" where there are no points added to the 12 heats scores but its called a "medal race" this gives us the overall winner of that GP round but also you have a separate medal table gold is 3pts, silver is 2pts, bronze is 1pt, the medal table is there to decide the overall winner in case of a tie, so for example if Cook and King end up after 12 rounds on 120 points each, the medal table comes into consideration to decide the overall winner, if the points are the same, its then who has most gold/silver/bronze finishes, if its identical then a race-off Add to this championship with a Under 23 Championship consisting of just 8 riders, the line up could be Bickley, Brennan, Rowe, Flint, Kemp, Palin, Jenkins, Thompson purely as an example, they do as the main series but race over 8 heats then a final. £20.00 entry for 20 heats which include the two-finals Use the Eurosport contract to have every round "LIVE" A series sponsor Riders should be able to get decent sponsorship based on the guaranteed airtime over the 12 rounds on Eurosport and if the presentation was correct they could get a lot of coverage, riders can enter under "team names" similar to say British Superbikes, so say for Danny King if he's sponsored by Tru Plant he is entered under "Tru Plant Jawa" etc. more coverage for the brand, should be used in commentary etc. This kind of Championship and the whole winner-takes-all promotion is what people need to see in British Speedway, I believe this would engage new fans better, perhaps make people want to try speedway in terms of spectating at a one-off local event but if that venue then can promote their league racing we may capture new fans, its all about data capture and using it to promote speedway to new and existing people League racing can still be a thing, I would only have two leagues which is similar to what Bowen has said above, I would revert to the old British League and National League format, I would say 10 team leagues in both, riding home & away once with a cup competition included to give more meetings, the British league is for any nationality to race, the National league are for commonwealth riders only, British League built to Championship standard now and National League being slightly stronger maybe then it is now. Would like to see the BSPL set up a subscription style streaming service, priced at £6.99 per month for a 12 month subscription so £83.88 per year, if they can get say 200 fans from the 20 clubs plus pick up 200 fans from abroad who follow certain riders that would be 4,200 subscribers with a yearly revenue of £352.296.00 As part of the subscription package you receive * 2 x British League or Cup Matches per month * 2 x National League or Cup Matches per month * 4 x Classic Speedway Meetings per month * National League Riders Championship * British League Cup Final both legs * National League Cup Final both legs * Downloadable Content including rider insights, rider interviews, behind the scenes, interviews with promotors etc. * Mini Documentary series profiling ex riders, 60 minute long programs On top of this there can be scheduled events which are then Pay Per View events * British League Riders Championship * 5 Round Commonwealth Championship series featuring riders who commit to racing in the UK potential line up Kurtz, Bewley, Wright, Worrall, Lawson, Batchelor, Ellis, Crump, Cook, King, Allen, Nicholls, Masters, Schlein, Morris, Harris. * 3 Round Inter-Continental Championship series again featuring riders who commit to the UK potential line up Kurtz, Bewley, Crump, Cook, Jorgensen, Riss, Andersen, Batchelor, Ellis, Masters, Palm Toft, Becker, Klindt, King, Schlein, Pedersen This gives a bit of everything for everybody, National League will see the top 3 riders in current championship not doubling down into it as they will just ride British League, then the european and american riders can only race in the British League, with the National League made up of British & Commonwealth riders. National League is more semi-pro in terms of money, British League is just one professional league. The goal for any domestic rider is to make Poland and the GP series but the British Super 12 Grand Prix Series is there for those that need to make racing pay domestically who are either not ready to make the jump to Poland or those who never will - it gives riders other goals Less meetings I know league wise for foreign riders coming to the UK, I am talking about the top end ones as it will likely be 18-22 league/cup meetings however opening up other series such as the commonwealth and inter continental series, with some good prize money makes up for the short fall in league racing. Just a few thoughts really

What is your importance to the sport?

Dont think banter is a thing anymore we live in a society where everyone is offended, take away the vile stuff across social media, people still can't take any form of humour During the euros a lady friend on facebook (After England beat Denmark) was posting about the Danish keeper who plays for Leicester so she is obviously a supporter of Leicester, how she felt sorry for him etc despite him knocking England before the game,a few of her mates made this point clear and when she asked what else can she talk about I asked "what is your top 5 recommended cleaning products" knowing she knows my juvenile nature yet the absolute venom I had back from herself never mind her friends was eye boggling lol even with as many laughing emojis to make it obvious people just are boring as watching Lynn (at present).

I've got a spare Costa voucher if you want it, seems you could do with it

You'd be right if it was another sport However 20 years ago the fans saying it were maybe 40 years old, today they are 60, and in 20 years time they will be 80 (those who make it) and 20 years from then they'll be 100 and most if not all will be dead It's not an even spread when you look at the average crowd, you'll get a sprinkle of youth some who will outgrow the sport a few who will be die hards but there will not be enough of them in 20/40 years time so 100% this sport is on it's way out in the future, the BSPL should be about preserving the sport for future generations but unfortunately it will be completely lost Unless, the sport can rely on huge TV investment and also that of local councils

And quite possibly crump could of had one ride, struggled and then replaced by reserves for the rest of the meeting, who knows until Plymouth next race

Think I have said it until I am blue in the face, but the "main event" of British Speedway should be a British Grand Prix Championship rather than the one-off British Final Use this event for Eurosport, have it sponsored, decent prize money, see if Eurosport could change the TV slot to other days i.e. weekends perhaps Most riders domestically are aiming for Poland, realistically not many will get there, if they do only a few make it pay, so why not have a British Championship for British Riders that is the pinnacle of British Racing and offers the prize money that will get people racing Speedway, should over a number of years (with the correct investment in youth speedway with a clear path to Semi Professional & Professional racing) increase the number of British riders coming through the system League Racing should be 2 leagues (British & National)