Hacksaw Jim Duggan

I would say your figures are pretty skewed in favor of the answer you want from the question to be honest.

fast speedway racing and the best speedway riders is a pretty unique USP given that would be speedway exclusive though given my post was in context to the sport of speedway. There is a tendency on such threads when suggestions are put forward to think things like themed music are the selling point and what will attract people back, it likely won't that's not unique or different etc - the selling point, the thing that makes each sport unique, a draw or an attraction in the actual sport on offer, some can tend to have a tendency to over complicate that

In the nicest way possible, most of the suggestions on here are a bit, crap - it is nothing out the box, and nothing that hasn't been mentioned and done to death 100 times. A new fan will most likely neither notice or care about such things as score boards or the overly done to death obsession with music played at a meeting. A subject that has been tirelessly spoken about on this forum for one which is so meaningless when it comes to reasons why people don't attend. As well as not being of interest to most new fans, the things mentioned have done little to retain fans who have left the sport, fans have dwindled out the door as the product has watered down because fans of a sport know what good looks like. If people want to stand and listen to music, they go to a thing called a concert, a pub or bar - very few people attend a meeting in the hope they will hear a fantastic song, very few reflect back on their speedway memories and reflect on the music played or the scoreboard - these things aren't the USP, they are a backdrop at best. The USP IS the sport, when people wish to attend they want to see fast racing and the best riders - this has shown over the years when the sport had better riders - more people were attending.... it now doesn't have the best riders, less people are attending. There is too much speedway in this country, the season is too long, the sport drags on months past it has to, there are too many finals, semi finals and championships - they all just lose meaning and become lost in each other, in a desperate attempt to boost revenue by hosting more, the sport has just made everything less than, ends up with Finals and Semi Finals overlapping to the point they start to confuse each other. Speedway should be a league season, less meetings and attempt to boost the quality again. Once people know they are watching good again, they might consider the sport again. A Poole fan who was spoiled on Rickardson, Loram, Holder etc isn't coming back for a score board and Calvin Harris music when he is having to watch a team the standard of that they have the last few years. A new fan likely won't stick around long when they know they aren't watching the best on offer, there has always been a naivety around the idea a new fan would fall for the BS of just watching a good race, for a while at best they might, but more people want to see the best at their sport rather than those less than, most sports attendances reflect that - quality typically equates to a higher attendance. If you are asking people for the cost speedway tracks do you need to have some pretty decent USP's - scoreboards, music etc ain't that, people can find that at most other sports in the country which offer far superior stadia and facilities to that which most speedway tracks ever will, when they first walk into most their first impression at most tracks will likely be what a dump it is compared to stadiums and sports they have been at . It is actually probably more beneficial to draw peoples eyes away from most of the dumps they have to stand in.

I would like to hope not, as that is a bit of a defeatists and losers attitude to life which won't see them go very far in the sport. That probably does reflect in the standard of racing in recent years.

To you, I appreciate it is, but to most they are looking for the riders to be of a better standard than those we are "treated" to the in the UK, people do know what good looks like and is.

The premise that people just want to be entertained and will turn up regardless is surely blown to bits by Poole alone? They went from a side with Rickardson, Adams, Loram etc turning out for them and attracted crowds to make most blush. They are now a watered down version of what they once were, and their attendances show that. All the while a track like Scunthorpe has never grown based solely on "entertainment" If people simply wanted to be entertained by the "love of the sport" why do so many bother spending the time effort and money going to the GP in Cardiff when they could just go to the National League Riders Championship? Surely both should attract similar sized crowds? "entertainment" typically goes hand in hand with the better standard of riders who generally provide a better level of entertainment. The lesser the quality of rider the lesser the standard of entertainment, the notion you can see a National League meeting as good as a Grand Prix meeting for instance, has never actually been a truism. British Speedway hasn't been on a mission to find its true belonging by "removing" the top riders, it has lost it's identity in loosing them and attempted to flip the narrative to "we didn't need them anyway" which has been held like a comfort blanket by those who have watched others walk away. Very few people only go for "the love of the sport" recent years have cemented that - people did want to see names, the best riders on show, it is why more people went when they were on show.

While I appreciate the element of speculate to accumulate etc, if tracks haven’t been in a place where they have the disposable income to spend on scoreboards before I doubt they will now, nor do I think it would be crowd growing if they did. I don’t think it is such things that have kept people away but rather a crap product across the board I would apply that same disposable income theory to possible attendees (and sponsors) as well, it will most likely be a while before a decent % of people have the money to keep attendances where they were (poor) let alone grow them or change the destiny of the sport. The majority of tracks will do well to survive this, which in turn will diminish the number of riders who choose, or actually have the choice to make it their profession or even hobby.

In answer to the original point, no, most likely not as it is currently known. It will at best become an amateur sport in the UK with few faculties left open IMO.

I suppose it depends on the definition of survival, but yeah sure, somewhere in the country there will be some field where some people watch 4 guys racing a bike.

I appreciate the wishful thinking but I doubt it. I don’t really think the narrative around the sport can be changed and it will most likely fade away after all of this.

I have watched it hence I commented on it, why would I make random comment on something I haven't watched, what a weird place a brain must be in to even think that.

Or you could just shut the fu ck up and let people actually talk about the subject which seems the better option for you.

What a weirdo....and seemingly also a fan of Hitlers, now run along and let people actually talk about the subject one I have watched, you? likely not and are just a lil obsessed with the who rather than the post, troll.

I thought the documentary was pretty awful, there is just far too much content around to compare it against to suggest it was close to good or fantastic.

No John, to be totally honest, not because of a gimp like you. Regards HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

And you have a tragic need to be liked, one of these statements will play on one person more than it will the other..... HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Nah, you’re still not convincing me you’re not a bit of a keyboard hard man You have brought yourself down to my level and lower. You, you have let your mask slip to show yourself to be, quite odd really. As for what’s up with me, being Totally Honest John I’m just enjoying the seethe as you unwind on this thread

Yes, "whatever" is about all you have left when it has been pointed out what a hypocritical douche you have acted.

I already said on this thread I will say what I want, I am consciously going to irk you though as you have a wish to "fu ck me off" Wouldn't mark your neck with a blowtorch clearly.

Incredible, open mouthed reading this insanity. Calling people out for fights on the internet. I would happily bargain you are a frail little gimp of a man.

100% - I am a total and utter HACKSAW and there is not. one.single.thing. you can do about that

Its a screen name on a forum, little more, little less. I never once put the thought into it you did, evidently though you consciously made the choice to draw inspiration from a mentally frail psychopath. The rest of your post? I will pass, thanks for wasting your time though. I will post freely as I wish, when I want, without being told how to behave or act from people who are taking the internet (and them self) a bit too serious.

That's pleasing to know, I will contribute more now because of that. Just know I will be typing away with a smirk knowing I am living rent free inside your head, I have done that while typing this post. The rest of the forum thanks you for turning up the volume of my contributions, I will consciously look out your posts from now on as well.