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Speedway Promotion or Lack of it.
Piotr Pyszny replied to greyhoundp's topic in Speedway News and Discussions
As a print journalist for 33 years (who, incidentally, reported on a speedway club for three seasons - 1994-96 - while chief sports sub at an evening newspaper), I'll say this: The press (and the wider mainstream media) covers the stuff it thinks is going to sell papers and interest a decent number of readers (or viewers/listeners). Choices have to be made because space (or air time) and resources (staff, mainly) are finite. On the whole, there are valid reasons for those selections. As speedway attendances have collapsed (in line, unfortunately, with the fortunes of print publications - but that's another story, as it were), so coverage has diminished. Despite the advent and proliferation of DIY social media, lack of profile in the press (and the wider mainstream media) can't be helping speedway. I imagine millions have no idea what it is. -
To gain listed status, a structure has to be deemed of 'special architectural or historic interest'. I'm not sure any of the speedway stadia you list fall into either category (other than for followers of the sport). Possibly West Ham? Football hasn't fared terribly well, either, despite its greater popularity, when it comes to grounds acquiring listed status. The odd stand here and there, yes, but not (I suspect) an entire stadium. Listed status is no guarantee of evading the wrecker's ball. Wembley's Twin Towers had Grade II listing, and look what happened to them. Many architecturally important (I hesitate to use that over-employed, therefore now meaningless, adjective iconic) football grandstands designed by Scot Archibald Leitch have been razed. For example, at Aston Villa, Blackburn Rovers, Southampton and Sunderland.
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Favourite Rider of All Time
Piotr Pyszny replied to wealdstone's topic in Speedway News and Discussions
Martin Dixon. -
I went to one or two meetings that last season. Often, the nearest spectator was 50 yards away!
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Sheffield Speedway help wanted
Piotr Pyszny replied to mike1944's topic in SGB Championship League Speedway
Well, I started watching football in 1971. Post-1990, I'm struggling to remember the last 'aggro' I saw at a game - which is a reason for the socio-economic profile of football followers (not to mention the age - older - and gender - more women and girls) changing so much during the last three decades. I can relate to your other reasons for not watching Football League matches. I switched (mostly) to non-league football a long time ago. In common with so many, I ceased attending speedway meetings regularly, in my case circa 2008. Used to enjoy visiting Owlerton a couple of times a season. -
Sheffield Speedway help wanted
Piotr Pyszny replied to mike1944's topic in SGB Championship League Speedway
When you say "for decades", I presume you mean the Sixties, Seventies and Eighties? Those three decades aside, football hasn't had much of a problem with violence, on or off the field, tribal or otherwise. As I said before, you need to update your prejudices. Otherwise, I'll have to conclude you simply don't know what you're talking about. Out of interest, when did you last attend a football match, non-league or Football League? -
That's certainly my recollection of watching speedway at the County Ground, while working in Exeter (1997-98). The grandstand was the last vantage point you'd pick. Did the OP refer to a "thrilling" evening? Wow. Can' recall too many of those at Exeter. It was mostly follow-the-leader, everybody-strung-out-after-one-lap stuff on a gaters' track where passing was virtually impossible (as poor Joe Screen discovered during Pete Jeffrey's testimonial meeting). Most of the opposition riders seemed beaten before they started. I remember one National League/Division Two stalwart telling me: "Exeter? That's not speedway."
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Sheffield Speedway help wanted
Piotr Pyszny replied to mike1944's topic in SGB Championship League Speedway
I used to watch Everton play Liverpool when I lived in that 'great city'. Never a problem. Perhaps it's a Sheffield thing? -
Sheffield Speedway help wanted
Piotr Pyszny replied to mike1944's topic in SGB Championship League Speedway
Segregation of supporters isn't required at virtually any level of non-league football, and fan violence at League football has all but disappeared. You need to update your prejudices! -
Tracks around football pitches
Piotr Pyszny replied to ch958's topic in Speedway News and Discussions
I recall watching football at Fleetwood in the late 1980s. You could still see remnants of the speedway track in the stadium layout. Never went to Craighead Park (Glasgow). The track surrounded Blantyre Celtic FC's pitch. Apparently, the old square corners problem. Barrow started out racing round Barrow FC's Holker Street pitch. Anecdote suggests the track was narrow, dusty and not conducive to passing. As a schoolboy, I watched Halifax at The Shay. Can't recall a huge amount of passing. Still, the racing was better than at Exeter (round Exeter RUFC's pitch). I lived in Exeter for a couple of years but only rarely went to the County Ground, where it was virtually impossible to overtake. Once you'd become accustomed to how fast the riders went, compared to everywhere else, there was very little else to see. Liverpool Chads raced at Stanley Stadium, used also for a time by Liverpool Stanley RLFC. Stamford Bridge (at Chelsea FC)? New Brighton (at New Brighton FC)? -
Derwent Park..update on Town RL forum
Piotr Pyszny replied to singy13's topic in SGB Championship League Speedway
Oh, I am. Like thousands of others since the early 1980s, I stopped attending meetings because I felt speedway no longer represented value for money. I put my disposable income into other, less amateurish sports. -
Derwent Park..update on Town RL forum
Piotr Pyszny replied to singy13's topic in SGB Championship League Speedway
Thanks for all that, THJ. I appreciate your passion and commitment to the cause. It's odd, though, isn't it, that Cumbria still cannot muster a single, fit-for-the-21st-century sports stadium. Not one! There are plenty of instances (eg Brighton, Exeter, Huddersfield, Hull, Middlesbrough, Stoke) elsewhere in England where a new sports stadium has had a galvanizing effect, on both its occupying club (or clubs) and the wider community. They're much more than vanity projects. They make a real statement about a place, and its ambitions. Why, in your view, have Derwent Park attendances for speedway fallen so drastically? When Comets reopened, Derwent Park was the place to go and there was a real buzz about speedway. I know because I attended several meetings when in that neck of the woods. However, on my last visit, in 2017, talking to the people around me on the first bend terrace, the atmosphere was one of gloom and despondency. -
Derwent Park..update on Town RL forum
Piotr Pyszny replied to singy13's topic in SGB Championship League Speedway
Actually, I've never understood the appeal of fishing (fly or otherwise, in the Derwent or any other river). But thanks for trying to 'second guess' me. From an outsider looking in (though I did work four years in west Cumbria), it seems strange football, rugby league and speedway (I'll disregard Workington Rugby Union Club because, owing to its sub-100 crowds, it's an irrelevance) couldn't all be accommodated at Workington's new stadium. A missed opportunity, and likely the death knell for speedway in the town. -
Derwent Park..update on Town RL forum
Piotr Pyszny replied to singy13's topic in SGB Championship League Speedway
No, I'm not confused. I'm aware BNFL (and others) are taking office space at the proposed new stadium. My informed source advised Derwent Park also will become a site for activity related to the nuclear industry. It won't be retained for speedway (or any other sport). -
Derwent Park..update on Town RL forum
Piotr Pyszny replied to singy13's topic in SGB Championship League Speedway
Millom Amateur Rugby League Club (the average National Conference League crowd at Devonshire Road is circa 250) were playing Red Star Belgrade in the Challenge Cup. If the racing is so wonderful at Derwent Park, why has everybody stopped attending meetings? Since reopening, Comets have managed to reduced attendances from 4,000 to 400. Even by speedway's lamentable standards, that's some going. As for my bad planning, I haven't arranged any aspect of my life round speedway's fixture list since 1996. Since 2008, I doubt I've attended more than 10 meetings. Another lapsed supporter of a failing sport, unlikely ever to return to watching regularly. I'm afraid your remarks about the new stadium for Workington typify the small-mindedness, limited horizons and paucity of ambition so apparent in west Cumbria. Good luck in your sporting backwater. -
Derwent Park..update on Town RL forum
Piotr Pyszny replied to singy13's topic in SGB Championship League Speedway
I'm not sure laughably shambolic speedway - its days surely numbered in Britain - is in any position to poke fun at other sports. Last time I was at Derwent Park to watch speedway, a perfect summer evening in 2017, the crowd numbered about 450 - and that included a hundred or so following the visitors, Glasgow. There was barely a single genuine pass in the entire meeting. Absolute rubbish, frankly. On four subsequent occasions I was over in Cumbria for long weekends, Comets didn't even have a match to watch! I note, despite Workington FC's desperate struggles this season, recent crowds at Borough Park have been 504, 476 and 379 (they're official attendances, by the way; I'm guessing speedway is too embarrassed to reveal how many punters pass through its turnstiles). Is level eight football, I wonder, more appealing than level two speedway? I was told last week (by a source close to Workington FC) Derwent Park has been earmarked as a site for nuclear industry support facilities. Once Reds and Town depart for the shiny new stadium, and a much brighter future, the bulldozers will move in to Derwent Park and raze the place. Isn't the vandalized dump that is the Northside training track sufficient to accommodate what little interest in speedway survives in Workington? -
Barry Hearn and 'player power'
Piotr Pyszny replied to dontforgetthefueltapsbruv's topic in Speedway News and Discussions
The Rugby Football League is having talks with Matchroom at present, as Eddie Hearn confirmed in a TV interview during the recent snooker event in York. Hearn described rugby league in Britain as "on its knees". So, not in quite the same parlous state as speedway, which, as far as I can tell, is merely waiting for permission for the life support machine to be switched off. Leyton Orient are top of the National League. In all likelihood, heading back to the Football League. -
Followers of all sports - not just speedway - have an interest in what participants earn because, to a greater or lesser degree, their admission fee helps cover the wage bill. It's hardly the same in less extraordinary walks of life.
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Buxton v Brummies Sun 29th Ap NT
Piotr Pyszny replied to Brummies_Ste's topic in National League Speedway
Someone trails all the way from Birmingham to Buxton, for the express purpose of watching a speedway meeting. That meeting is called off in farcical circumstances. Not the slightest demur. Sole reaction: well, I enjoyed the trip and the scenery. Sorry, still baffled. To Jayne (presumably Moss): how do we go about getting a full refund? Can you give me an address to which we can post our readmission and trackside parking tickets? -
Buxton v Brummies Sun 29th Ap NT
Piotr Pyszny replied to Brummies_Ste's topic in National League Speedway
You enjoyed the trip and the scenery? Good God. If you're an example of the tiny remnant of speedway's extant fan base, no wonder the sport's clubs get away with treating their few remaining customers so badly. You're either pathologically supine or a sandwich short of a picnic. I wouldn't care to hazard which. -
Buxton v Brummies Sun 29th Ap NT
Piotr Pyszny replied to Brummies_Ste's topic in National League Speedway
Called off 25 minutes after the scheduled start time. Why wasn't a decision about the condition of the track taken an hour or two before tapes up, certainly before spectators were allowed to enter the (so-called) stadium? I haven't been a speedway regular for more than a decade but, holidaying near Buxton this week, decided to go this afternoon, along with my wife. Thanks, Buxton, for conning us out of £28.50 of admission fees, plus a fiver on programmes. We don't live anywhere near Buxton, so to us readmission tickets are absolutely useless. Today's farce merely confirmed the conclusion I reached circa 2005: speedway is a joke sport, deservedly dying on its backside. What a way to treat your steadily shrinking band of customers! Unsurprisingly, this sort of thing never happens when I watch my other favourite sports: football and rugby league. But then football and rugby league aren't from the Mickey Mouse end of the sporting spectrum. -
Buxton v Brummies Sun 29th Ap NT
Piotr Pyszny replied to Brummies_Ste's topic in National League Speedway
In Monyash, about eight miles southeast of Buxton, it's cloudy but fairly bright. Heavy rain for a time this morning. Further showers look likely, to be honest. -
Rugby is one sport, with one set of supporters? That's news to me. There is rugby league and rugby union. No such sport as 'rugby'. Speedway has plenty of history sharing stadia either owned or used by rugby league clubs (eg Bradford Northern (Bulls), Hull FC, Hull Kingston Rovers, Rochdale Hornets, Workington Town). And football (Barrow, Fleetwood Town, Halifax Town, Hastings Town, Leith Athletic, Nelson, Newport County, Newtongrange Star, Queen's Park, St Mirren). Is the County Ground, Exeter, the only example of speedway sharing facilities with a rugby union club? EDIT: to answer my own question: didn't Peterborough Lions RUFC share the East of England Showground for a couple of years?
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I was a regular (although never at the same time) at Cleveland Park, Odsal and The Shay. The racing at CP was way better than anything seen at the other two. Remember how the likes of Steve Wilcock could pass opponents, on both the outside and the inside - often during a single race?! Yet Middlesbrough, in their latter years, struggled to attract more than 850 spectators. What does that say? Fast forward two decades, and I bet the promotion at Redcar would kill for 850 spectators every week. It was only when I moved to Exeter that I witnessed consistently processional racing. Many miss the County Ground, I know, but I found that once one became accustomed to how fast the riders went at the track (compared to everywhere else), that was it. There was no other interest. Whilst down there, I 'picked' my meetings very carefully!