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True but from start of Poole season until 1st July - 6 matches at Poole - 3 at Oxf/Plym - 4 at Edin/Berw/Glas/Worky = Total 13 of which 9 in the South which better suited to a Kent based youngster. Also important logistically for a 16 year old not even qualified to drive a car until Nov 2025. Again may not be him but Danny did mention a young rider and the logistics of such a signing are with him and his parents. Would point to being one of the younger NDL guys which narrows the choice a bit. Similar situation to Ashton Vale (Hertfordshire) & Jody Scott (Norfolk) although Springer arguably the best located of all 3 for Poole. Anyway we will hopefully find out soon. I would love it if we signed someone who shows potential and gets dangled a carrot from the Ford's to be one of our reserves for 2026. Especially if he does reasonably well at Poole. Would get plenty of meetings in 2025 with the NDL/NDT plus U21/U19 qualifying meetings on top.

Also easy to forget he was in his first season - was only 15 and a half and was riding in an U21 meeting. His 2 wins and a second beating the likes of Foord/Wood & Max James on a track he had never ridden was a decent effort. Of course could be way off as it was Lewy who mentioned him, but from the videos I saw he looks like he may have a decent future, with Leicester more than happy to have him in both their NDL sides. Also hails from Kent and went/goes to secondary school there. Meaning not having to travel down from way up North.

Just cultivating opinion/input into Poole 2025 Forum. Better than seeing all the useless waffle aimed at Poole joining/not joining the Prem KO Cup for 2025. Feel free to watch the videos to see if you agree that whether he is the choice or not he shows early signs of being a decent rider considering he was only 16 in Nov and was 15 in the 2 meetings I viewed. I would hope my almost 55 years of watching the sport live - via TV and online has given me a small insight into riders who display potential at an early age 🙂

Also on Sonny Springer didn't realise how impressive this youngster looked until I just saw 2 impressive videos of him on Youtube just now. The one which was Leicester V Middlesbrough was very impressive where he beat team mate Joe Thompson but also beat the likes of trigger & Perry. Also in an U21 individual he beat Max James. Both meetings last season. Can gate and has an exciting style. This guy could be going places based on what I've seen. Remember he rode these meetings as a 15 year old. Just type in Sonny Springer into youtube search.

Could be an interesting option. Just turned 16 in Nov and had a decent first season in the sport riding for Leicester 2 last season. Had a 5.60 GSA but 6.80 incl bonus points. Had some decent scores if you look through the Speedway Stats website under the riders section. Rode 10 league matches in that first season and could be another youngster who could have a decent future. Would be a decent option and with no pressure on him. Considering what he achieved as a first season 15 year old, I would be happy to see him sign until July. Also good experience for him as he is already signed for Leicester 2 & 3 teams. Getting ahead of myself here but if he did do reasonably well, and shows expected improvement for Leicester could be an ideal 2 pointer for 2026. Just a thought if Cairns ends up with 4 or more at season end. A decent carrot to dangle in front of him as a potential incentive.

Problem is that don't the 4 BSN Qualifiers also count in the GSA calculation (thought they did last season), which would make it totally unviable if they also have 7 Lge fixtures before 1st July. If jody was the choice then he already has his NDL season sorted with both Oxf & K.Lynn, and if you factor in Poole have 13 fixtures over Champ/BSN and KO Cup before 1st July. Considering Jody is only 18 in Feb 25 that's not a bad meeting haul as of Jan 2025 and that's not counting all the younger rider individual meetings. If he is doing okay I am sure that another team would go for him if they see he is doing well (assuming Oxford could/do not want to fit him in.

Would like to put this post out again as no responses received, other than the ongoing exchanges re Poole not participating in the Prem KO Cup. Now the Champ fixtures are out. How many Lge matches before young Cairns gets a GSA ?? I notice Poole ride 7 Lge matches before he rides his first match against Glasgow at home on 2nd July. Meaning in effect 9 Lge fixtures left prior to any play offs if they qualify. Can anyone confirm what the qualifying criteria is as get the feeling they have timed it so he keeps his 2 point GSA also for 2026. I know the play offs do not count for GSA's. Similar the BSN qualifiers that counted will also be completed before July.

Now the Champ fixtures are out. How many Lge matches before young Cairns gets a GSA ?? I notice Poole ride 7 Lge matches before he rides his first match against Glasgow at home on 2nd July. Meaning in effect 9 Lge fixtures left prior to any play offs if they qualify. Can anyone confirm what the qualifying criteria is as get the feeling they have timed it so he keeps his 2 point GSA also for 2026. I know the play offs do not count for GSA's. Similar the BSN qualifiers that counted will also be completed before July.

Not a case of panicking. If the deal is done why not announce it. They were happy to release the post 1st July team before Xmas so why not announce this guy ?. It is interesting though that many on the Poole Forum (and from other teams) knew most if not all the post 1st July team well ahead of the Ford's announcing, but with this one temp guy nobody seems to have worked out who it is yet. I'm sure we will find out eventually. But if as you say deal done then why not put it out there.

All still quiet from Ford Towers on who the temporary No.7 will be. Could it be a case of no takers currently for the job. There is still no rush but considering how Matt/Danny love to milk/maximise the media coverage, and knowing how many months they near enough knew they would need temporary cover, would have thought that with riders needing to make sufficient arrangements (even if only for 3 months), something would have been sorted by now. Think the Champ Team finalising is now just down to Plymouth No.7 and our temp signing. You would think that a rider in NDL would love the chance to show case their potential talent for the future. Either that or maybe nobody at this stage in that lower region of the NDL wants to be used as a whipping boy driving around the Country in the higher league for 3 months scoring little to no points. It could be someone is secured already but they are trying to secure them some sponsorship/mechanic etc to make it viable for the rider involved. After all, if his points haul is minimal he will need some income from somewhere to make it worthwhile.

In the overall scheme of 2025 as a whole it may not be too relevant. However for those of us who enjoy using the close season to try and guess/work out who next seasons team will be, it also keeps interest in the Poole forum going, and to exchange ideas on whom it may or not be. Ultimately we have 3 months of this temporary rider doing his best even if with limited/inexperienced ability. So yes to those of us interested it would be good to know, bearing in mind it was Danny himself who stated that the full team should be announced before Christmas. Anyway hopefully we will find out in the near future.

Correct - Plus Danny has known for months he would need a replacement 2 pointer. It was him who originally indicated in interviews the team should be announced by Xmas. By that I assume the full team also starting. I assume it's because many who may be half decent have held off as long as possible or the likes of Max James who informed him he was not part of their 2025 plans had a late change of mind due to Edinb not having finalised their originally planned team building. Maybe it will be someone like Chaz Wirtzfeld (mentioned on here earlier) a local Dorset lad who rode B.Vue 2 in 2024 (maybe also part of 25 squad) and for 2025 Plymouth 2. Would make some sense if he is still local and one of the better one's still not signed in Champ. Merry Christmas all.

So are we going to get our final rider announced before Xmas ?. I mean starting line up which includes the temporary 2 pointer rider until 30th June. Danny Ford's last comment was not totally clear having earlier said the team expected to be announced before Xmas. His last comment was "Ford has confirmed that there will be a temporary signing to cover at number seven and he hopes to be in a position to confirm who that will be in the near future".

I would be happy with 4/5/6 per meeting next season. Over 2 points riding with Starke/Thomsen should secure Poole sufficient if the other 5 perform,

If Rowe has signed a 2 year deal on the basis Poole know they will race in 26, it would be logical to think maybe an agreement in principal for similar agreed with Cairns family. Especially if Poole feel he will end up still with a GSA of 2 for 2026 from remaining Poole fixtures when he comes in irrespective of how well he may score. Falubaz have him signed up already for 25 and if performs as we expect I'm sure he will be there for 26. Meaning 18 matches if they get to play off final (Tues race day), also add in his almost certainly in SGP2 qualifying and maybe the 3 finals ??. He also did training camps in POL in 2024. He could even maybe get a Prem reserve slot in 2026 if his stats really stack up.

If I remember correctly I saw a Youtube interview with Cairns late last Summer while staying at his mentor Greg Hancock's place in Sweden, that he actually mentioned he had agreed a deal with a Champ side in 2025 when he turns 16. I think it may have been that interview when all the Cairns joining Poole rumours/comments started to leak out.

While some not too impressed by Starke think it's a clever signing, especially at Poole. I think he will do well at home against plenty of the reserves with a higher GSA due to his track knowledge (as evidenced last season in 3 meetings when Worky visited). Against teams with stronger reserves I think that Poole top 4 will outscore the other teams sufficiently to cover the shortfall at reserve. Factor in that Tobias could well end up at reserve with Cairns after the first GSA's end of June doesn't make bad reading. Also if Starke does bomb out they could replace maybe up to 5 points (based on first GSA if he outscores most weaker/inexperienced reserves) which widens the replacement possibilities. Assuming Cairns would replace the 2 pointer temp replacement. The important part is to try and stay in top 4. We shouldn't think too much about the brilliant treble season in 2024. We had to shed 6 points in team strength, but we are now in a weaker league after some good riders not returning. Still optimistic of a decent season.

Interesting when looking at Vinnie say compared to Max James. Vinnie is one year older (18). First rode full season in NDL with Kent in 2021 then Leicester full season in 2022. In 2023 also Leicester but Max (then 16) rode his first season and outscore Vinnie 6.79 to Vinnie 5.14 incl bonus. Last season both at Leic Max av incl bonus was 8.30 compared to Vinnie 7.86 incl bonus. Now considering Vinnie is one year older and with 2 years more experience than Max it makes you think could ??? Max have plenty of improvement in him considering his age and limited racing experience. Factor in his maiden season at Edinburg last season in Champ. Just a thought, as if you saw Vinnie in 2022/23 you probably would have never expected to see the heroics he performed for Poole in 2024.

I think it's difficult to assess until we know who the number 6 actually is. I agree the "All about the points/numbers limit" does make it look at bit strange considering where we are at, where Vinnie would have fitted even on a 40 point limit, considering he had already been allegedly allocated a slot when it was 38 points. Even more strange when the top 5 had near enough been agreed/known about by a good few on this forum long before any announcements. Suppose we just have to wait a bit longer to find out the number 6 in order to work out maybe why. If it is a young Aussie then you would think all the planning - Work Visa - accommodation - Engineers - sponsors - equipment etc would have taken a long time to sort out before any actual signing/announcement. That's without the fact they would have considered such a rider to have more potential than Vinnie. Difficult considering that any undiscovered possible gem would not have ridden UK tracks yet. Harrison Ryan is one of the very few as he did a few meetings for Leszno U24 last season and chances are he will be again in 2025. Have seen a good few of his races on Youtube but difficult to assess if he would be better. Having said that I thought Ben Cook when he first signed would be out by the time of first GSA back in 2021 based on his Aussie form so got that badly wrong.

Also just read on Max James FB page that on 2nd Dec he posted that Edinburgh advised him he was not part of their Team plans for 2025. That leaves only Plym or Poole. Would be a great way to showcase his ability until end June if he signed for Poole.

Back on to Poole 25 team topic. Mentioned him before, but with exception of Edind/Plymouth (plus Poole) finalised, what chance of signing Max James as the temp cover for Cairns until July. Only mention him as he just signed again for Leicester NDL as Captain for 2025. Not bad for a youngster who is not 18 until 5th July. Thought he would already have been signed for Champ as showed decent talent from what I have seen in 2024. Seems able to mix it and although still a raw talent could hold his own against plenty of the other reserves in the League. Just a thought in the final throws of guess the team for 2025 which should be announced during next 10/14 days.

No problem Clive. Very rare I take your replies/contributions the wrong way. Yes all will become clear before Christmas.

But does it work that way. If the 2 pointer scores only 1 point per meeting, does he not stay as a 2 pointer under the rules ??. If so you are just replacing a 2 with Cairns another 2. Hodder _ Garrad - Mcgurk all av below 2 in 2024 but still have a min 2 allocated to them.

A somewhat touchy reply Clive. As a sponsor maybe you have an inside track on the signing ahead of us. I can only comment based on the available stats I could find which were not great. However since sending this I did find a report on the Mildura Speedway FB page where they rode the Victoria State champ last weekend won by Lydsey with Bowes 2nd and Mcdarmid 3rd. Ryan scored 10 points in his first ever meeting at the track and reportedly improved with each ride after familiarising himself with the track. Didn't realise he was chosen for the SON2 squad so yes Lemon must have spotted something in him. Maybe he is a decent prospect but still risky with a no doubt lower down 2 pointer also riding for 3 months if we assume Cairns arriving.

A word of caution if it is 21 yr old Harrison Ryan as mentioned/rumoured on here. He rode a SGP2 qualifier. Can't find scores but he is listed 12 of 16th qualifiers last season in Italy. He is on Leszno's books and roe U24 for first time on a flying visit last season. Only rode 4 matches - 11 rides - 3 x 3rds and 6 last places with 2 retirements. I assume on Leszno supplied equipment. Consider that to Mcdiarmid (signed by Oxford) only 16 who scored 35 points incl bonus from 17 rides - 8 x 1st - 3 x 2nd - 3 x 3rd and 3 last places. Just from that would indicate Mcdiarmid is a different class potentially. I would assume Leszno ( who snap up plenty of decent class young Aussies) are not stupid, but it would concern me as he is not a raw youngster and his form in that short stint in Europe is not one that makes me think he is even on a par with the likes of Hook. The question is would Starke on his low 3.36 score more points than a Ryan on 4 with no experience on our more technical tracks. I would argue that at Poole especially Starke would score quite a bit more. Last seasons 3 matches at Poole with his 6.57 4 ride CMA incl bonus would indicate he probably would. For me a massive gamble considering we need at leas one reserve to score a decent figure over the 8 reserve rides.