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Would even be happy to get him in 2024 when will still only be 18. Just as long as we get him. If Darcy Ward reported way back in the Summer that Tate as a 16 or just turned 17 year old reminded him of a young Darcy at the same age, you have to kind of sit up and take notice. I have watched speedway now for 51 years and every now and then you see a young rider with an exciting style who can also get out of the gate which is half the battle. Yes some of his style does remind me of a young Darcy. He is totally different to a much taller Pearson who some think has a LOT of potential, but when you see Tate in races against the likes of both Pearson and Hook you start to realise that just maybe we are looking at the early stages of someone special. Just my opinion of course but with 51 years of watching Speedway from my very early meetings at Hackney as a 16/17 year old you get a good idea who has maybe that special talent. I'm there to be shot at of course but seeing him in those 4 meetings (Most of his rides) plus a race in DK at start of his short hop int0 that DK mainly juniors league, that something was/is there. I also wonder how good he may turn out on POL tuned equip in that U24 POL EXL next season. I would go as far as to say he could well be better than Rew who is nearly 2 years older and has the benefit of more professionally tuned equipment from his 2/3 seasons being based in POL.

The whole Tate Zischke discussion which I have been going on for a good 2 months with in depth comments/reviews over the last 2 months and I feel maybe the one who has heightened a lot of awareness and hope we would get him together at one stage with Rew as the 2 brightest young Aussie hopes coming through. I think Rew idea was dropped due to rumours about cost involved in equipment/Flights in and out as staying POL based with his partner Also transport/mechanic/workshop and lodgings when over here. Much as i would love to see what arguably is the most exciting young Aussie (Tate) racing since DW, Poole would surely face similar costs ??. Factor in he will be riding with Leszno in the POL U24 league in 2023 as what they feel he is the most exciting young Aussie coming through (not even 18 until 30th July 2023). They are not stupid and like me have seen the raw potential and exciting style of this guy who can also gate. Not sure if he will do DK despite having signed a new contract but that team is really run by volunteer individuals in the fairly weak DK 1st Div which is probably a combo of lower point Champ riders and NDL combined. Will he base in POL or DK as its about 10/11 hours drive between his POL and DK teams stadiums/tracks. In effect he may not even be considering UK for at least the first half of the UK season. A long way round to my actual point. Kyle Newman is now too high a GSA 4.29 for BHM 4.22 or Plym 4.21. (That's after his 2.5% Brit discount) This means he can only do Poole or will not start the season with any club. Simple as that really. The big question is whether anyone can establish if he is definitely starting the season or NOT due to his ongoing shoulder issue in 2022 ??. That would kind of put to bed maybe the whole Tate discussion regarding Poole for at least this season. UNLESS he was brought in as injury cover for Newman until/if fit later. But even if so would be quite a possible financial outlay. As said i would love to see Tate at Poole as the 4 meetings I have seen him in over the last 2 months he looks really exciting and put the likes of Pearson & Hook to the sword in those meetings, gave Rew a good race in tne Aussie U21 Final until after the first bend when Rew's superior POL tuned equip kicked in and even beat Rew in one ride in the Aussie 2022 one Champ event.

Wow - Posted in the last half hour. Must say i am really pleased for the guy but also gutted. These Poles are 100% on the ball with these youngsters and if I noticed it over the last 2 months of looking at his rides in 4 meetings where he wiped the floor with the likes of Pearson and Hook and gave the likes of Rew a good run for their money then for sure the Poles were all over him. just as with the likes of Brady Kurtz and Lidsey they know a good youngster when they see them. In the past we never had the POL EXL U24 so these lads had to be loaned out (normally to POL LGE 2 sides) for rides here and there. Now they get to ride mid week for a whole season against all the best POL and other Euro/Aussie/Scand young riders coming through. Just a Rew did last season, Maybe Tate will double up in the Danish Lge 1 (the one below their Prem) just as he did for a month or so last season when on a flying visist. Also just posted on the other POL Speedway site last few minutes. Excuse below paragraphs in bold as can't get rid of it after copying first one from the POL site. The discovery of the season in Australia, Tate Zischke became a player of Fogo Unia Leszno. "Byki" informed about the agreement with the 17-year-old, who is growing into one of the greatest hopes of the speedway in Antipodes COULD still do UK as Pearson/Hook/Z.Cook/Jenkins are also in U24 squads and Zach rode that Lge (normally I think on a Tuesday) as well as Poole Wed, similar with Pearson and Jenkins also ride UK Wed. Maybe excludes Plym (Tue) as a possible destination ??

Meanwhile back on subject. Find it intriguing that 3 clubs have only 3/4 pointers to announce if one assumes Lawson is our number 5. Bhm 4.22 Plym 4.21 Poole 8.19 for 2 riders (after Lawson) Reading a late yesterday posted article on Speedway News POL, Connor Bailey said he will NOT start the season with a UK Prem or Champ club and will be doing N/L (Work) and POL U24 Lge to start with in the hope opportunities open up as the season develops. Effectively means near enough only Roynon 3.47 and Newman 4.29 left. Most of us Poole followers expect it to be both of these as fits the just under 8.19 limit meaning probably both Bhm & Plym looking at Aussies on a 4 ?? Of course a young Aussie could join Poole with Roynon thus freeing up Newman (who would only fit Plym)***, but think most of us know its likely to be Newman to give a pretty strong reserve pairing. For me and only dreaming this, but signing Tate Zischke as a Poole asset but loaned out to our friends along the Coast at Plym would be a smart move by both clubs. But that's only a dream. *** Please ignore the Newman comment re Plym as he is on 4.29 after deduction so too high for either Bhm or Plym.

Was there talk of a possible second announcement this week, with maybe another 2 announcements next week. Thought I saw that on here from a couple of Forum contributors. Announcements don't always mean team signings of course.

Hi HG I don't think Skidder was stirring. I sponsored a Poole race suit through Poole (Danny Ford) back in early 2020 before Covid kicked in for a rider who ultimately didn't ride for us as season was cancelled so it was transferred at the Club's expense to Danny Hume for 2021. As it turns out I gifted the suit to a good young supporter at the start of the 2020 season as a surprise so he was sent it at the end of the 2021 season. From memory cost about £600/650. £50 to get your name on a suit sounds a good deal as ultimately what do you do with the suit at the end of the season anyway unless you are a kevlar collector . Everyone has a different budget so whether it be £50 for your name on it or £600/650 (as it was back then), the important thing is it gives supporters at all levels a chance to have their name involved in the sport. The actual sponsors can allocate their larger amounts via the individual clubs sponsorship brochures or via the promoters.

If Kyle participation in question then Bailey may not be a bad option. The Speedway Stats site gives a revealing insight on his development since joining Glasgow in 2019 as a 16/17 year old His actual GSA for 2023 is 4.32 after the 2.5% reduction. However the stats are interesting taking all league and play off matches over the 3 seasons. 2019 - 26 matches - 2.72 or 3.36 incl bp 2020 the lost season 2021 - 21 matches - 4.27 or 5.26 incl bp 2022 - 29 matches - 5.04 or 5.81 incl bp Even his one season in N/L for B.Vue 2 as a 16/17 year old was 7.28 or 8.05 incl BP Some think maybe he is just a home track rider. Yes his av at Glasgow last season was 6.35 or 7.37 incl bp. BUT just consider those stats for a moment. A 4.32 GSA young rider who is not 21 until Aug 2023. He has improved his av in each of the 3 seasons he rode there. On a 6.35 av plus an addl bonus point on av each meeting at home. If he can adapt to Poole could be a good signing against so many 2 point and low av reserves. If Poole are looking at young riders who can add to their average is this not a rider worth considering ?? Was also third in the British U21 Final in August. He is also signed up to Sparta Wroclaw U24 Team for 2023. Anyway for those who are interested in rider stats .

Especially as Matt/Danny Ford tend to spread the news and use the Evening Echo space wisely to get the maximum in media coverage outside of Bournemouth Football or other spots grabbing headlines. Also gets the news out there more often to both fans and potential sponsors.

Hi Steve Take a look on the Speedway News Poland site as they updated the news later this afternoon. Make sure you put the translate to English on https://speedwaynews.pl/zuzel/dobre-informacje-o-zdrowiu-rewa/

On sentiment and if it was purely based on leveling up this season I would agree it would have been worth the risk as against some of them 2 pointers he would pick up some points. But with that new limit and lacking that proven 3rd H/L I think its a wise move to seek more guarantees of points in these reserve berths. Even more important under this new points system where only 2 for a meeting win irrespective of score so that extra bonus point over a 2 leg aggregate becomes so important. I feel the stronger reserves pushes us into a better position to secure that. I could be wrong of course and only my opinion.

Yes and up against these reserves/pairings named so far Coles/Stoneman both 2.00 Bowtell 4.28/Pearson 4.00 but team beatable outside of Morris Hook 4/Bickley 2.93 Pearson has 2.20 GSA & Hook 3.18 rolling or 2.78 over 18 meetings. Neither a 4 but being Aussies get a min of 4.00 GSA Complin 4 / Piper 2.00 Atkins/Killeen both 2.00 Trigger 2.00 plus another Edwatds 3.8 / Mulford 2.00 Kenedy 4.27/Thompson 3.27 Then calculate the possible points haul our 2 reserves (Say Roynon 3.47 and Newman 4.29) could harvest against these guys in each meeting and the benefits to me greatly outweigh signing Ablitt again on a 2.

I agree Skidder. I think Zach would have been a great reserve in his original Draem Team idea, if we had signed for example Rew on 5 and Zischke on 4. Now Zach and Zischke is a pairing I would love to have seen in reserve but not to be it seems.

Not been convinced on Drew for a long time now. He is likely to score 1/2 as he is to score 6 and hellishly inconsistent. You have to ask yourself is it him or us considering no team whether it be Prem or Champ has come in for him. Such a shame as 3/4 years ago he was supposed to be one of the next Brit big things. Still time but he needs to get it together on track more. We cannot carry him, with the new points system and where we don't have a proven 3rd H/L although we HOPE maybe Ben will improve further. I think also with so many weaker reserves the Ford's are going for strength in depth with strong reserves (especially looking at those named so far). Better to have someone who will hopefully get you a minimum of 4/5 than Nathan who may start getting 2 and just HOPEFULLY the odd 3 or 4. he may have a year under his belt but it would still be a risk, where Roynon and an even stronger reserve partner gives you a lot more.

We have 12.97 left. Drew 5..20 /Thomas 4.78 /Roynon 3.47 doesnt fit as its 13.45. You could factor in Newman 4.29 Connor Bailey 4.32 .Rowe 5.08 as well as Roynon. Have been scratching my head on the various combos for a week now as I am sure if Plymouth named their side it may well unlock the key to our last 3. The Thomas/Newman/Roynon mix seems to tie in with a good few's thinking at this moment but who knows ?? Maybe even a 4 point Aussie we have not factored in or even a 5 point one.

Don't disagree. Point is that If it's Roynon with Newman or Thomas or Zach Cook it gives a decent 6 & 7 throughout the season in comparison to a lot of those named. Yes I am sure a number of the others will improve but when you view against the others named we should score plenty from those 2 positions. Also look at Roynon's CMA on thre Speedway Stats site. In 2022 he rode 11 matches at Redcar and had a CMA of 4.29 or 5.43 if you add his 12 BP. If he can replicate that at Poole we will have a decent pair of reserves. Even away his scores were workable and that was before the 40 point rule and lots of weaker reserves in 2023. Importantly hopefully it keeps us closer in meetings to hopefully set up that all important new aggregate BP over 2 legs in 2023.

If it is Newman, you can imagine the amount of points he would rack up against many/most of the other teams reserves. At home I doubt many would beat him and also away he would do well. Could well see him swapping the 6 slot with the likes of Zach Cook and the likes of Thomas IF he is one of the signings. Also look at the majority of pairings at reserve for all the other teams on the Championship 2023 team forum page 1 to give you an indication of the riders he would be up against. Could well be a big points puller if with Roynon as the other reserve who will also be racing against plenty of 2 pointers. This could well be an area we more than compensate for not having an out and out recognised 3rd H/L. IF Ben Cook does improve further into that position then it could be a big bonus in both areas.

Here we go. We are about to go off subject again . Anyway back to trying to work out the possible permutations for Poole 2023 last 3 riders again

Why am I not surprised by that comment

If that were the case then it brings you back to a 2 pointer really assuming Complin is signed up. Suppose Ablitt might be a temp option but a chronic waster of points and exposes us at reserve for a while. Can't really see anyone else who would fall into that 4.29 roll looking at the final GSA sheet. Not unless a 4 point Aussie who is hardly going to fly over. Josh Macdonald (4.00 GSA) maybe who did have a base to stay in UK when he was over here last season and previously with Scunthorpe & Sheffield. But what a long way to come maybe for a few meetings and then having to sit out in hope that someone comes along. I know until a couple of weeks ago he was saying he might have to find a new job in Aussie as nobody was calling him to come over in 2023. Would even probably be a half decent reserve to even replace Newman and capable of beating plenty of the opposition reserves. Just a thought and would fit points wise.

Poole were not prepared to take on the costs associated with Rew being based in POL, I doubt they would take on similar type costs for Gino who is supposed to be based in SWE in 2023 from things I have read.

You would think IF a broken shoulder that all of Dec/Jan/Feb and a good part of March would put him well on the road to recovery unless it was really bad. The 4.29 temporary guest cover (plus 5% for home meetings ??) still leaves a plenty of potential guest options as cover for maybe a few weeks ?? You only have to look on that SGB signings page to see who could cover.

By the way JT/Newm/Roynon is a whisper I heard and not what I was initially thinking. But then I w as blinded by having the 2 most exciting Aussie youngsters around. But the horrendous costs involved in at least one of them based in POL seems to have probably killed that idea.

With regards to Roynon, for those interested in his (and other riders stats please feel free to look at the excellent Speedway Statistic website and the link to Roynon is http://speedway-stats.co.uk/Rider/373 Shows his whole history in Prem/Champ & NDL. It kind of highlights what an injury free and fit Roynon is capable of and at 34 still capable. Bit of a standout against many of the 2 pointers in Champ. Even his NDL av is way above the 2 pointer Champ guys so could be an astute signing with a stronger reserve like Newman. Surely Newman can be fit by the end of March period. Even if not 100% should still be too good for most of the 2 pointers. Just an opinion of course

When you think about it JT/KN/Roynon looks the best strength in depth that fits. Roynon would beat many of the weaker 2 pointers and Newman would beat plenty of the reserves on higher av. If the other side has 2 weak reserves like say Oxford then both would probably be beaten in near enough every ride. This really hits home if you look at most of the SGB Champ reserves already named on page 1 of the SGB Champ signings 2023 page on the Championship forum where not only the riders but their GSA's are shown next to their names. Newman av alone is higher than any of those named and Roynon also higher than many and arguably going to be worth a lot more against the lower ones as the season starts unwinding. Could be a case where fortunately bonus points DON'T count towards GSA's. As for Thomas he is an improver with a GSA lower than what he is capable of and Ippo have taken note of that as their rising Star for 2023. His injury of 2 broken wrists sure kept his GSA anchored lower than what he is capable of in 2022. Of course it's a case of IF it's those 3

Can't see it happening. We have 12.97 left for 3 riders. Batch would tie up 7.29 leaving us only 5.68 - Take 2 for Ablitt only leaves 3.68. Look at the last GSA sheets and looks who is left. Would give you 2 weak reserves. My money will be on strength in depth with what will look like strongish reserves who will sweep up lots of points against a lot of the other reserves in my opinion and not put us on the back foot from heat 2. Now we have only 2 proven H/L (if Lawson added to Worrall) it makes sense that we go for more points over the other teams reserves. Especially the 2 pointers. I think a number of us have a good idea who the last 3 will be. If you assume for example no 2 pointer in our team then you can kind of work it out from the final GSA sheet by taking 2 x 4 point plus riders and 1 x 3 point plus rider from those not yet announced. (Don't forget to discount the 2.5% for all 3 riders as think they will all be Brits).