STEVEHOLS54

Bugger that. I'm not gonna sit on here waiting for an announcement that may not even come today. Will catch up with twitter before bed tonight to see if anything put out. Got Happy Valley last series to catch up on plus incredibly had never watched Peaky Blinders before but me and my wife thought we would start the series from Series 1 episode 1. After 2 episodes we are sold on it so just another 34 (approx) to go. Can't believe we didn't watch it but now we can run thru as and when we want to on catch up . Sorry - Way off subject

Sounds like you may have already been tipped off ??. If it does happen, isn't it around 7 p.m when the news is released ??

He also probably knows that those of us who follow these things closely will know near enough by process of elimination that if he follows riding order, as he as done so far, that by naming Newman (should it be him) then the number 7 near enough names himself by virtue of the av left after Kyle's 4.29 av as it leaves less than 4 meaning Roynon only the real logical last selection . Having said that chances are the majority of Poole Fans don't even know that the BSF even exists like with most/all other clubs.

It's certainly not kind but with the points reduction can fully understand that Poole having to empty one recognised H/L would seek to go for 2 much stronger reserves to try and make sure they p/up the points against a lot of weaker reserves in 2023 to compensate. Especially if Ben Cook doesn't fill the 3rd H/L spot that many anticipate (or hope) he might. Also I fully appreciate it was Nathan's first Champ season and against many stronger reserves but the stats don't lie. In 38 Champ matches he had 120 rides and achieved a CMA of 1.47 per meeting. Yes he would probably up that in 2023 against some weaker reserves but even that no guaranteed. His 12 match N/L CMA was 7.20. A number of Champ reserves for 2023 had higher N/L av last season so no guarantee he would push on so much say against a Roynon (anticipated at Poole) who had a nearly 2 point higher av and with his experience will probably score a lot more against the younger inexperienced reserves. Yes it is a shame but as said elsewhere hopefully he will pick up a slot, especially if he improves his av in the now 8 team NDL as well as getting experience in the U24 POL EXL in Poland.

With no Bournemouth football match until Saturday, I wonder if we might get a reserve/s naming during this week. Bearing in mind we had the first 5 riders named in a 17 day period in December and Jan 1st I assume there is no reason why they can't announce at least one this week. Especially as most of us on the forum have an idea who they are so no work permit issues as both are Brits . I wonder if it is a work permit thing that may be holding up Plym & Brum if they are going for Aussie 4 pointers. Can't see any other reason for their delayed announcing.

A nice 8 points from 4 rides from Zach Cook in the 3rd round of the Aussie Champ earlier today after a pointless first ride. It's good experience for him to be mixing it with the top Aussie riders and importantly getting used to riding against more experienced and quality. Also importantly giving him racing experience before the UK season towards end of March. Never expected him to score lots of points against the top guys but getting odd points here and there can only be good for his development going forward, and importantly time on the bike.

Personally I hope he does well for Poole and brings lots of experience to the table. His 2021 CMA was 5.73 or 6.27 in 16 matches for Newcastle so well capable of achieving a decent av at reserve if staying injury free Was also a decent scorer in his 4 only N/L matches last season so has proved he is more than capable of beating most of the young/inexperienced reserves. Hence why I feel he could score well above what his starting GSA is currently. Ultimately I suppose it will come down to how the team are performing - his actual GSA at the time and if there would be any benefit to the team in changing things. That's something that won't happen initially anyway BUT if you had the opportunity say to sign mid or last third of the season a rider of say a Rew or Basso potential on say 5 points if Adam's GSA is around that level mainly based on beating weak reserves it would no doubt be tempting. In the meantime let's hope we get our last 2 named soon as it's intriguing that us Plym & Birm are the only ones left to name reserves to complete their teams. Even if our's are allegedly done and dusted.

Don't disagree with you on that. But my point remains whether Roynon stayed in reserve or not. If his GSA rises to the 5 or 5.5 level as a result of beating a lot of weak reserves would Danny consider swapping him for a rider who has proven ability at a similar GSA of 5 to 5.5 based on beating stronger reserves last season or even if spent some or most of the time in the main team, or a talented overseas rider (Basso being a prime example) on a 5 having raced in Europe. Other things to consider is that Roynon has i believe secured the gig of co commentator for BSN in 2023 which assume means he will cover both Prem/Champ meetings all season when not riding. I assume he will be paid for his services. Only mention it as should Poole let him go at some stage, he could well secure a slot elsewhere and have a back up income stream. Also another thought. What would stop Poole/Newman letting Kyle finish behind Roynon when on a 5-1 or 3-3. Bonus points don't count in GSA's but riders do get paid for the bonus point. Could it be that knowing the reserve also has the option of getting extra rides, that Kyle position at reserve is protected with a view of later in the season when a rider better than Roynon on a higher than expected GSA was released. All conjecture of course but suppose it does throw up potentially various scenarios now we have the much weaker/inexperienced reserves in quite a few teams.

I assume you mean him and not the whole team . Timing is going to be interesting though as I'm sure they won't want to leave it too late, as no doubt others will be trying the same. Although looking through the other teams can't see many who have such an advantage who would want to release that rider i.e Edwards at Redcar who I expect to also see go up. No way they will want to lose him. Opens up a whole range of options if he did go to a 5 or higher although in fairness would't do him any favours in respect of getting another team as I assume his GSA would be 5 plus when released ??. Of course it may not happen and he drifts in and out of reserve all season and gives a chance for a stronger reserve such as Zach Cook or Thomas to take extra rides if they find themselves down there. Its another string to Poole's bow I suppose.

Yes the POL sites didn't elaborate other than to say his crash was not serious and if anything it was Brady who came off worse from the incident. Don't blame the lad after what happened to Rew and Zischke. He has a lot to look forward to in 2023 and not worth it to risk any further mishaps. Thanks for clarifying.

To also put this into perspective then. You could see Roynon go from say 3.47 to say 5.5 purely due to beating weaker reserves regularly. In the main team he would probably creep back down to his truer av of around 3.5. In that case Poole could well replace him with for example Max Ruml on 5.47 (just an example). So in effect play the system by swapping a 3.5 man with a rider who has a proven 2 point higher av based on real proven form. I wonder how many teams will try similar although many with weak av will struggle to pull that one off. I use Ruml just as an example but there are plenty of riders arguably stronger than Roynon you could use similarly as an example and also possible young Aussies or even foreign riders with Euro racing experience on a 5. Suppose no wonder Roynon is/was in demand if others are/were thinking similar.

Ironic as well as it was another Poole asset who took him out when Kurtz crashed and went into him. Shame if true as I am sure Ben would love to have had the chance in mixing it at least in the strongest Aussie Champ in quite some years. Never expected him to score too heavily but good experience for him and also meetings to help him stay in condition for the UK season. Wouldn't blame him though as some of those injuries are nasty especially Rew who came possibly so close to a Darcy type injury after breaking some bones in his neck. Not helped by the track with no inflatable barriers. He's already said he will never race on a track without them again. Don't blame him. Could have cost him both his career and potentially his life

Interesting if true. More so this season with so many weaker reserves which will no doubt potentially artificially inflate some riders GSA's if only temporarily as pontentially the case with Roynon. Also I see on twitter today an article confirming his BSN involvement for 2023 again plus a piece about his history.

Interesting comment re the next round of the Aussie Championship posted on Speedway POL website in last 5/10 mins. I read that as Ben and the others no competing in any of the remaining rounds but the translation on this site not always so clear. Don't think Ben's injury was supposed to be serious but maybe enough to have shaken him up a bit and with such a big season coming up in Champ & Prem maybe he doesn't want to take any risks considering an unusually high number of riders have had injuries (some serious), and with some of the tracks not having inflatable barriers which have contributed to some bad ones, he wants not to risk anything. Due to injury, the players are unable to continue the Championship. Bowes, Masters and Cook, who crashed at Gillman, have already retired from further competition.

Hopefully someone on the forum knows the answer to this. IF it is as assumed by many to be Roynon at number 7 - He is on 3.47 after Brit discount. With so many weaker/inexperienced reserves in the Lge this season, there must be a good chance his GSA could well go to 5 or above when the first or second new GSA's com into effect. My question is that IF he were to rise to a 5 I assume he would go into the main team if say Thomas (or say Z.Cook) dropped below 5. In that situation would Poole be able to replace him with a rider of the same av i.e a 5 or below or does the team still have to fall in total within the 40 point limit. I assume same argument could apply to any team in Champ. Or is there a min time period before a rider can be changed and if so the same question applies.

Still find it intriguing that Poole (2 riders) - Plymouth 1 - Birm 1 still have to announce reserve signings on 4.?? or less when all other riders have signed for the 9 teams in Champ. I know Poole are announcing the team in reverse order and the expectations are probably Newman & Roynon but it is interesting that these 3 teams are still to announce. Makes you wonder if some wheeling & dealing going on as we know plenty of Plymouth fans would fancy getting Roynon due to how he can perform at Plym plus Tue raceday which would complement his Video commentary commitments he did last season. I know we probably have Roynan but it does make you think - UNLESS both Plym & Bhm are viewing the Aussie Champ performances for riders on a 4. Even Poole went down that route I believe when they first signed the Cook's when looking at close season Aussie riders performances and recommendations.

Decent start considering I believe Ben's first meeting as his equipment arrived back late from UK. Also believe only Zach's second meeting I (think). Especially considering the quality of a large part of the field. Kurtz 8 points - Masters 8 points - Pickering 6 - Pearson 3 - Keleher 3. I think these meetings as far as the Cook's are concerned should be viewed as an important way to build up fitness and get some racing in ahead of the UK season starting March. You would expect top riders such as Doyle - both Holder's - Fricke - Tungate - Kurtz to beat them considering they have all raced at top level in Poland. Also masters is a 10 plus top H/L in UK in Champ.Plus most of them have done a good few meetings in Aussie recently. Sedgman is scoring really well in most meetings during this close season in Aussie but has done in in previous years. Doesn't seem to perform to the same level when racing in UK. Similar with Tungate. The important thing for the Cook's is to avoid the kind of accidents that KO both Rew and Zischke and ruled both out until at least European meetings start.

Regarding Poole take a look at the Speedway Stats Website as gives an interesting insight into his Poole AV. Over 38 matches - 9.24 CMA and 9.87 incl BP. But if you look at his av when the play offs started go to his 2022 stats and look at the scores he racked up in both Champ and Prem from August onwards. None of his play off scores go into the GSA average as only regular season scores count. You could also argue the same on GSA's about both Ben & Zach Cook if you look at their av in the play offs.Look at Zach from August onwards in the 2022 section of his history. This is a guy that at one stage was expected to start the 2023 season at reserve. The Speedway Stats.co.uk site is quite revealing on players points at different parts of the season, and as we know as play offs do not count in the GSA its an interesting tool for team building.

Behave cast1m We are all good which is the important thing. Maybe I have been a bit heavy on comments regarding Tate but time will tell

Remember it well as was born and brought up in Hackney. Remember Simmo well as he visited Hackney as a rider for Poole/K.Lynn/Wimbledon/Swindon and even for Hackney Kestrels during the period 1971 when I first went and 1987. Plech was a real crowd pleaser. Got to see Bo Petersen first Hackney meeting at White City and also in the return leg at Hackney in the evening. Yes very happy days when I got to see all the local London tracks as well as those within an easy commute. Have a couple of boxes in the loft of programs from the 70/80/90's as well as Speedway Stars from the period plus a couple of program Boards. Fair to say i was well and truly hooked even when I got married in 1975. Anyway apologies for the memories and back over to the Poole 2023 forum

Just fyi it's worth pointing out that Ablitt is part of a 9 man Wroclaw squad named so far in POL. It could be others also get signed as Zischke was only named in the Leszno U24 squad in the last 24 hours and that squad is now up to 12 riders of which 8 are Poles - 3 Aussies and one is Ukranian. You are not guaranteed a start but no doubt the excellent practice & training facilities in POL will sort out who gets a slot and who doesn't. Even if just training and racing in some of the matches on arguably the best tracks in the World will be a great experience for these youngsters.

Thanks for the defence HG, but I think Steve and me have kept it amicable after his other reply and my subsequent response. Yes I do tend to go on about Tate to the point of obsession and time will tell if my view on him proves correct. Hopefully if Poole finances allow some time in the future we may see him at Poole and at 17 (18 on 30th July), plenty of time for that and who knows by then we may even be back in Prem Lge, but that discussion is for another day. I will let others comment on that in the future if and when the rumours are strong enough going forward.

Nice to see a good few of us still alive who can share the memory. Even remember a very young Middlo riding there back in the day. Oh happy days back there in the early - mid and late seventies. Even though we struggled a plenty due to good old Len Silver not wanting to spend on the bigger stars Notice i mentioned Middlo's name to keep us kind of on the Poole subject

Thanks for that Steve and Happy New year to you and all Poole fans plus other contributors to the Poole Forum for 2023. Maybe would have helped if Danny had done it the other way around and gone from 7 down to 1 as then the Tate discussion would have been killed off very early. But I suppose if nothing else the still unnamed 6 & 7 leaves a little chink of light into what may have been . Having said that have seen nothing posted on the Forum as to whether Kyle is racing in 2023. The only real comments I have seen are where he allegedly turned down Redcar for 2023 as he was not going to be fit for the start of the season. Whether that was just rumour or true I have no idea. But I've seen no comments fro anyone to say he had advised or commented that he was planning to start next season besides the Redcar comment. Let's hope he does as he is one guy who should excel looking at most of the reserves announced. Especially at Poole where his track knowledge and speed will hopefully also help him team ride Roynon when needed.

Steve Yes i know the team if it is as rumoured. I also have no issue with it as I think our reserves if as mentioned should score plenty to compensate the loss of an established 3rd H/L although we all hope Ben Cook will progress further. I left the Tate discussion alone as I fully accepted he would not be coming. It was only really a number of people commenting again on here and on the Plym Forum pages about him maybe coming to Poole that made me comment further in the last couple of days. Steve - This is a forum on the subject of Poole 2023. There is enough crap posted by certain individuals nothing to do with the Forum subject. Don't shoot someone who tries to engage in sensible discussion on a talent that most of us would like to see at Poole (especially after the DW endorsement). As said more than happy with the team but that should not stop us still discussing the top Aussie talent that many of us would like to see associated with Poole knowing the teams history and association with good young Aussies over the years. I also agree a lot cheaper but that didn't stop the Ford's bring over both Cook's in the Champ. Anyway thanks for your negative input.