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Hi b&p. Not the case in this instance, and as one of the more intelligent on here b&p you will see that I made a perfectly reasonable question, and it was a only a question thereby giving the poster a reasonable opportunity for an equally reasonable answer, nothing else. That the poster chose to respond with an abusive and juvenile response twisted the whole thing to be something it never was and certainly nothing to do with my reasonable question. Cheers.

I asked a civil question. No need for an abusive and juvenile response.

Fingers crossed for the lad

So after a post saying..... "Not heard anything would imagine a trip to Hospital after the meeting to get checked over would be on the cards. Was a horrendous crash though and went into the ambulance on the board." .....you say "Good DVD to get then" So you think its good to see an horrendous crash inflicting injury to a rider that requires to be taken away to an ambulance? EDIT: Bandit59 has since answered no and it was just unfortunate that his post was straight after the one it just happened to follow. All good. I've personally never been one for viewing crashes and especially bike crashes, having had bikes myself (not speedway ones) and injuries I hate to see crashes and injured riders and it doesn't matter which team they ride for be it Berwick, Ipswich, Lakeside, anybody, I hate to see crashes and injured riders, that was my concern and good to see Bandit59 clarified it, thanks.

Even better. SharpenRake won't be out of pocket then

You won't have to pay anything for him as under-12's go free

"Knights of the Green Shield stamp and shout" That was a helluva line

We all know it was Berrington Lough. My point was referring to the post I was answering which more related to the Berwick team, and in any case having attended both stadia then Sheilfield is surely more granduous than Berrington Lough was and more suited to top flight racing than Berrington Lough was. As to the clash with the footie team then where there's a will.... and the footie team will always be away from home every second week and no matches during the close season in the summer months, and at the current infrequency of home meetings that's probably more than enough.

It was done before when Bandits went into the top flight in 1991 with a team including Kelvin Tatum, Richard Knight, Jimmy Nilsen, etc.

I don't believe it?

In total agreement.

The lack of regular fixtures is for me the straw that broke the camels back. I had already become fed up with a few things, the length of time meetings take these days to run, too many delays and no need for an interval, too much dilly dally, and a whole load of things, so when you are encouraged to get out of the habit of attending you don't need that much persuasion.

Motocross riders switching to speedway..... didn't Richie Worrall and Steve Worrall also come from a motocross background. And Steve Schofield was in grasstrack. What''s incredible about Dan Bewley is he seems to have just jumped on a speedway bike as a novice and is a naturally gifted rider.

Well spotted yenga

So, using your logic does Poole alienate the whole of the north of the UK as it is so far south?? In fact in terms of the UK, Manchester is rather more in the middle.

You are taking only the GSA's which correct me if I'm wrong are on a long countback and take most of last season as well, whereas the stats for this season (so far) show that Sarjeant's average is 4.20 taking this season alone (so far). Yes it isn't a huge leap in average but at least it's in the right direction. If you read my post you will see that I in fact already said that Lyons isn't like most riders, what I did say though was that even the incredible Lyons had his detractors at this stage of the 1991 season, in fact many of the Glasgow faithful were disenchanted with the whole team's slow start to the season, but Glasgow went on to take the all-conquering Arena Essex that steamrollered most teams to a two leg home and away cup final replay, no other team did anything like that (level on aggregate over two legs) and Glasgow finished second only to Arena Essex in the league. What I did point out was that a rider on a rising average will tend to have a low-ish average in the first half of the season and improved figures by the end of the season. That tends to apply to most riders on a rising average, it may yet still apply to Sarjeant, we can but hope and only time will tell.

Not 'nit picking' just an observation of fact, it's hardly a whole season, we're only in May. Sarjeant. No I won't correct you as 'you aren't wrong' as they say, but any rider's starting average can vary up or down, it does seem to have gone up from his 3 point starting average to 4.20 average so far - ok for those wanting everything to be as instant as instant coffee then maybe not enough of an increase or soon enough but riders on a rising average tend to rise as the season goes on, I wouldn't for a minute suggest that Sarjeant is another Jason Lyons as he simply isn't, but I well remember his 'baptism of fire' first season and he got around 5.70 or 5.80 average, the next season about this stage in the season he was from memory either still around the same or less than that and I well remember a few dissenting voices among the Tigers faithful noting as much and saying he was still at reserve, along with momentarily surprisingly Lawson was he not when Lawson's early season form and average dropped dramatically and Lawson was controversially dropped and then reinstated. Lyons didn't seem to maintain the progress he'd made by the end of the previous season but then halfway through the season, must've been the 1991 season, it started to come together for Lyons and he made a meteoric rise from about June, but in April/May he seemed to be going backwards rather than forwards - what the dissenting voices had overlooked was that in his debut season in 1990 he was going through fences etc and not gaining many points at all and his approx. 5.7 end of 1990 season average came from his improvement and bigger points in the latter part of that season, so if you had taken his 1991 May average and compared it with his 1990 May average he had actually improved but just not on his final 1990 average, and then from memory in 1991 season he averaged somewhere in the 7.5 - 8 points zone but the bulk of that improvement had come from the second half of the season i.e. first half of season around 5 point average so to finish up with an average of around 7.5 - 8 points overall average at the end of the 1991 season, in the second half of that season he must've been scoring more like a 9 point average and I well remember in the second half of the season him overtaking Neil Evitts who at the time was an ex-England international and had a near 10 point average in Div 2 in 1991 season, but you wouldn't have predicted that of Lyons based on his performances and low-ish average during the first half of the same season. Of course most riders aren't like Lyons though, whether its Sarjeant or any other rider. In the case of most riders Sarjeant included, if they are to go on an improvement curve it may well have a pattern of not much change in the first half of the season and rise during the second half of the season. We can but hope. A factor which may have influenced the Glasgow management was that Sarjeant has some previous affinity with Glasgow and on visits to Armadale he does seem to ride for the jersey and he is loathed by the Monarchs faithful. The other factor which may have influenced the Glasgow management to go with Sarjeant is that other 3 point options are maybe assessed average riders whereas in Sarjeant's case it was actual average and some thought he was 'sandbagging' last season at Worky and that he was on a false average and (maybe) he was worth at least a point more than that, and who knows maybe actually get a 5 point average and worth a punt - its guesswork to anticipate how riders averages will change and if it does end up a 5 point average then folk would be congratulating the Glasgow management and Worky faithful citing the aforementioned alleged 'sandbagging'. I guess only time will tell.

"all season long"?? All season long would be through to end of Sept and into October. We are only in May!! Sarjeant, yes he is a 3 pointer, per the points limit you can't have a team of 10 pointers, so yes all teams have to have one or two low average riders, for 3 points you get a 3 point rider!!

Yeah, Ricky rode.. well. Yes, your smugness, you did... well

To answer your points. 1. Can't have it every which way though. In going for a strong top 5, it naturally leaves less to play with for the reserve slots. Alternative is to have only a strong top 3 or 4 and more of an even spread. If the lowest of the top 5 is say around 6.5 and the senior reserve about 3.5, this is obviously a total for the fifth and sixth rider of a combined 10 points. If its more evenly spread then its gonna be such as 5.50 and 4.50, or 5.25 and 4.75, etc, still using up 10 points. Its all swings and roundabouts. it isn't as if Glasgow's team was well under the points limit , it was exactly as the points limit was it not. After that you're hoping for riders to maintain or improve their average, and that being the case I honestly don't think it greatly matters what the initial configuration is so long as all the of the points limit is used up or close to it and at least a couple of riders improve on their starting averages and the rest at least maintain theirs, I honestly don't think the initial spread greatly matters, for every one you increase or have a stronger rider there's another position that has to be a lesser starting average and probably weaker. 2. They were anticipating an increase in average, or at least hat he would maintain his starting average, think he's increased it so far has he not. 3. You seem to be referring to 2013 season when Screen retired early before the end of the season. You've overlooked that in his first season with the Tigers in 2011, Screen was very potent and one of the main reasons why Glasgow won the 2011 league title, Screen also won the Pairs that year with Grieves, so it isn't a fair comparison, Screen was still a very very potent and capable rider when he joined Glasgow in 2011. 4. We can hope.

They used to get criticised for running the club on a shoestring and lack of investment. A case of damned if you do damned if you don't. Most seem to applaud investment in the sport and reportedly the lion's share (er, tiger's share) of the money invested at Glasgow has gone into buying the stadium and its renovation. The Glasgow promotion are also reported to be aiming to break even on regular costs, and in any case it isn't like football, you can't just buy your way to title success and do a Chelski or a Man Utd or Man City and buy all the best riders, in speedway the points limit sees to that.

Kids already go free at Glasgow. But you're talking about teenagers, and they are half price which I've also agreed with. What you said though was you were moaning about the half left over i.e. the £8 half price and saying how awful it was that a teenager or their responsible parent pays the 8 quid. Yes the 3 quid or so concession may well make it more affordable for some and encourage and bring in more revenue. There is a good business case for it as previous post. Better to get 80% from many than 100% from only a few.

You obviously have your "lets argue for the sake of arguing" hat on. Never said anything about goodwill. If you paid attention you would see I set out a business case for retrieving MORE money e.g. 50 x £13 brings in more than only 12 x £16 or £17. My point is also that the Glasgow promotion are throwing money away by giving a half price concession to students, many of whom have far more disposable income than the average citizen. With two student offspring myself I know that many of them work, have plenty of income, get free accommodation and welfare, and they spend an absolute fortune on going out regularly, spend a fortune on holidays, expensive gigs and other events and think nothing of it, and most of them can afford way more than the 16 or 17 quid that a full price speedway entry is. Probably better to get the product right and if need be glitzed up a bit, charge the full rate to those that can afford it. Not a lie. You did say you paid over £50,000 for your car. Ok what was it "only" £51,000 then, whatever over £50k you did say before and then agreed the next time mentioned. Now you're denying it.

No it aint. I know for a fact. Two of my offspring have been or are students. They've both got way more money than any of us. Both of them worked part-time (one of them two part-time jobs, the other just the one part-time job), plus getting free board and welfare and no dig money to pay, all used for their busy social lifestyle including going out regularly, regularly going to gigs ( a couple of them very expensive tickets) and sporting events, two foreign holidays a year, and that included one of them whereby a crowd of about a dozen of them, all students, went on the kind of foreign holiday most of us can only dream of. They don't know they're living - as the saying goes. So I've no gripe with students at all, was one meself many many moons ago. No, my point was a fair enough point, i.e. if the Glasgow promotion are giving such a huge concession to students, many of whom work and have more disposable income than many of us, then why not do the same or even in part for OAP's. Fair point.

Sense of entitlement you say - infinitely more justified than your apparent sense of hostility and apparent utter contempt for OAP's. Shocking. You mock OAP's trying to find 3 quid. Yet you ask the rest of us to pay the £8 left from half price admission for your 14 year old son who is your responsibility. At least the concession of 3 quid or so meant that the OAP's were paying around 75% or 80% of the full price, yet you mock and pour scorn on them. Shocking. Why should a student get virtually half price admission (new season tickets are virtually half price for students), yet most of them work part time and earn plenty, enough for most of them to go foreign holidays. Doesn't make sense. Why are we subsidising them is what you should be asking, not showing contempt and disrespect to OAP's