OveFundinFan

of those I have seen, not in order Peter Craven Peter Collins Chris Morton Kenny Carter Dave Jessup Michael Lee Tai Woffinden Ray Wilson Martin Ashby Malc Simmons

Why doesnt someone do an online petition to BSPA asking what their part in the BV saga is. I am sure many forum members would sign.

1 Liverpool 2 Derby/Nottingham 3 Norwich

Drove past Ellesmere Port speedway today, I reckon all the men and machines that you need at Swindon to get that stadium built are at EP completely flattening that stadium. Bit ironic.

Any news as to when there will be some news? about new promoters that is.

I really am wanting to know what the BSPA input, negative/positive, in this whole affair. Something still doesnt sit right with me. We have had more info recently and things still dont sound right. More to come, whether it will arrive.

The loss of income from all the possible other events that couldnt take place due to faults was probably built into the loss assessors report, that is then the money MCC failed to pay to ISG but didnt pass on to BV. no wonder MCC are reluctant to "open up" and tell all. If that money, £696k+, was passed to BV things could have been o so different. Who gets that money now????

Both great riders, both reached great heights, and best of all - both entertained speedway fans.

a) Did the riders not get paid at all or b] did the riders get paid for some of their rides if its a) then there needs to be a very good reason not to pay them if its b] perhaps the management was juggling what income was coming in to not only to pay the riders something but also pay off other bills. for example, DG in the SS says "we had spent and committed over £350k in the immediate run-up to the stadium opening on track and stadium equipment, stadium systems and IT Technology and were now facing zero income on top of the losses sustained from the cancellation of the Grand Opening Meeting. We lost revenue from seven home meetings and had the expense of six away fixtures. Our cash flow was shot to pieces and we never recovered". Remember these problems, meetings being cancelled, expenses paid for away matches, were clearly caused by the neglect of ISG to build the track to correct specification, and the neglect of MCC to ensure their contractor was doing the job they were employed (contracted) to do. The fact (clearly) is MCC sent a "Pay Less Notice" dated 29th April to ISG [which included £696,782 "for loss and damage arising as a direct consequence of the Track Defects as notified under Early Warning 21], just 18 days after the Loss Assessor used by BV calculated BV loss was £696,782. In other words MCC gave notice to ISG they were stopping payment of the total sum BV loss Assessor calculated - if that sum had been paid to BV (clearly it wasnt going to ISG) then BV would have been in the position to pay riders fully. And I totally agree what Aces51 #1768, Fred Flange #1769, and Sidney the Robin #1770 said. Well done.

The actual "Pay Less Notice" was drawn up by Turner & Townsend Cost Management Ltd and it included another £100,000 for Additional Professional Fees incurred by the Employer (MCC) to ARUP (£20k), Turner & Townsend (£20k), Pinsent Masons (MCC Legal Advisor) (£40k), MCC Property (£15) and MCC Legals (£5k). Would be interesting to know if 5 other "businesses" were paid but not BV for the loss of £696,782.

Just been to Tesco get my copy of this weeks Speedway Star.... anyone in the Frodsham/Helsby area.... still a couple SS left on the shelf at Tesco in Helsby. Its clear to me that the loss assesor on April 11th calculated the loss to BV was £696,782, stating "do not underestimate the damage this has done to your business. Interesting that on 29th April MCC issued a "Pay Less Notice" to ICG showing an amount which included that exact amount £696,782. MCC - why did you not pay that compensation to BV. That sum, if paid to BV, would probably have changed the whole situation as far as BV were concerned. As Dave Gordon stated "our cash flow was shot to pieces and we never recovered. It was a complete disaster". The complete mesh was due to ICG cutting corners on the rush to get out of the stadium. The fact the excavated waste from turn 3-4 was to left at the stadium for further examination disappeared is criminal. Removing evidence. Its no wonder BV held back from paying rent, MCC was holding onto £696,782 of compensation money..... thats almost 2 years rent ! We still need MCC side of the events, and also something needs to be forthcoming as to what BSPA/SCB were up to.

on the other hand, could it be the new owner/s meet the approval of the BSPA? I am glad BV have two premier meetings, first of all its a race track good and proper, secondly a good income for the club, and thirdly and most important - what a good way of promoting speedway on a national basis.... if managed correctly.

Aces51, even if MCC did a press release claiming the problems were all of their doing, they supposed to control the contractors but didnt, and they so sorry for the problems it caused BV speedway and they will recompense BV for all thweir losses ...... some on here, including Orion, will still be bleating out the same of story that it was all DG/CM fault.

Banging your head against a brick wall, Aces51, the last post proves that. Seems some cant accept that MCC/ISG were doing things there way. Page 2 of that "leaked" report, para 2, implies that after designing the shape of the track and laying down its specification DG/CM were "passengers" to what happened. No doubt they were straining at the leash to be involved but were "restrained". So many clever clogs on here saying "I would have done this", "I would have done that" - but none of them were involved with the actual goings. In that 6 page leak on page 3 , last paragraph it refers to the loss asseor that DG?CM had involved, this was April 11th and they said that"do not underestimate the damage has done to your business, it has been a catastrophe that will take a long time for your business to recover from". Thats in reference to the £650,000 that the cancellation of the opening night and following matches, including the good Friday meet with Wolves, bank holiday meetings always being a good taking.

You beat me to it Aces51, exactly the same question I was going to ask, so come on HA, what would you have done in the situation you were told you could have no input?

I thought BV topped the league in 2016, but failed to win the championship because their opponents drafted in a rider who had not ridden for them in the Uk up to that point. To me that is pretty good going from BV.

Some good points there from SCB and mikebv Perhaps BV should try it at their first meeting this year.

Are you suggesting that DG was behind all the rubbish put into the corner 3-4 build including nappies and a tarmac play pitch left intact.???? Perhaps he was so cheesed off by the forces working against him. Most people can only stand so much then cave in to the pressures.

IMO it is clear that DG/CM did know there was a problem, I have recognised that from early on. What they didnt know was the extent of the problem until ,as you say, the excavations had happened and the real issues uncovered - very serious issues. IMO initially DG/CM thought the problem was minor and in time the shale would bind, just like the rest of the track, and not be a problem. It was only when drill hole excavation took place then MCC/ISG/DG-CM could really see what was causing severe problems, then the whole 3-4 were excavated, relaid in accord with specification, as ISG should have done in the first place, that the track became what it is today.

Well thats your opinion of course, and on the forum you can air it...... however, if there was a thumbs down button I would have pressed it for what you just said, and thats my opinion.

If warranted, I hope they do, and I too hope they win. If there has been anything going on with promotors/BSPA I hope they get what they deserve.

See post #84

Page 2, para 3 of that review shows that on the WEEKS leading up to the 19th PCMem meeting they were having problems with turns 3-4 in getting the shale to bind together, while the rest of the track was in perfect condition. Then in the week leading up to the meeting the weather improved, still cold but dry, and the track started to improve. Then it says the track was inspected twice by 2 inspectors from SCB and passed on Friday 18th. This was the national Speedway Stadium, with an investment of £6mill pound by Man City Council - when has a council last invested so much into speedway? No wonder BV-NSS was the talking point, probably around the country...... speedway having such a large injection of money from a council, and the work DG/CM had done to get a track designed to give top class, world class, racing. Any rumours at that time before the postponed meeting on March 19th would not detail WHAT was wrong with the track. As that report points out it took a few test drills before the extent of the problem was realised, resulting in the whole of bends 3-4 being dug up. Unbelievable to hear what was found, I am sure it shook DG/CM and probably Man City Council officials. ISG have a lot to answer for.

What part do you deem to be UNTRUE ???

Thats not a report - started off maybe as DG diary jottings (albeit a very large diary), but then turns as if written by a third party. Never the less, these are thoughts from some person(s) who was heavily involved in what the situation was seen to be. Well, I felt sorry for DG/CM before, I feel even more sorrier now. Of course, its only one side of the story............. "looking forward" to seeing the other side(s) from MCC, ISG, BSPA and SCB.... not holding my breath, but anyone holding back would be saying, IMO, they have something to hide. Some serious questions in there put to BSPA and SCB which, again IMO, questions them being fit to be in charge of British speedway if the accusations are true. Answers needed. I truly believe the future of British speedway is at stake here... I dont mean British speedway will collapse "tomorrow", but it could be the final blow that British speedway will not recover from.