SteveLyric2

I've stayed off this thread til this morning - as later than usual getting back from the meeting last night! Like many other decent Poole fans I don't condone the small number of idiots in one section of the grandstand who cheered the ambulance last night. I can assure you that many words of disgust were expressed towards those idiots. (Although I thought a lot of the cheering was at the ambulance finally coming onto the track, after what seemed an age!!) I'm delighted to hear that Sarjeant's injuries are not as bad as first feared. I think he's one of the most talented EDRs around (I even have him in one of my Fantasy League teams!!). However, I must comment on his belligerent and over-the-top actions towards the Poole Start Marshall, when attempting to pass on the referee's warning for 'moving at the start' in Heat 4!! He clearly wasn't interested in any warning, as he shook his head when approaching the tapes for the re-run. To then stand up and go head/helmet to head with the Marshall was just totally out of order and what clearly incensed many in the large Poole crowd and potentially led to any unnecessary booing/cheering later on - the type of incident that has a similar effect in any meeting!. Any stronger and more experienced referee (M.Breckon??) could have excluded him from the race and/or meeting, especially after knocking the chequered flag from the Marshall's hand at the finish of heat 4 before punching the pit gate post as he strode back to the pits having dumped his bike on the 2nd turn!! In fact in hindsight, if he had been excluded from the meeting at that point, he would not have put himself in the over-exuberant position of causing his crash in heat 12!! The kid needs to be calmed down a bit. Of course, none of this incident is referred to in the Coventry official meeting summary - why am I not surprised?! Finally, well done to Garrity, Harris (very fast engine!!) and King for making a decent meeting of it, but on the night just no match for a strong Pirates side, who are still not firing on all cylinders!

Apology accepted! From 5th June:- 'I don't think I said it quite like that. What I said or meant to suggest was I doubt any promotion would/could pay the financial guarantees that he was seeking at the beginning of the season. Poole certainly wouldn't pay it for a 3rd heat leader position to a rider who struggled when promoted to that position last season and whose fixture availability was questionable.. As we are now part way through the season, maybe his financial demands and other fixtures have reduced sufficiently to enable clubs to consider him?'

Exactly what happened with Maciej earlier this season!!

Of all the riders that have shown support for Hancock in this issue, you choose to feature Darcy Ward?! Anyone would think you've got something against him?! On a Poole thread too!? When he's not even riding for the Pirates!! tut tut. ps. the pending Pedersen 'Monster' sponsorship deal is now non-existent!!!!

Newman is good v Coventry because he's always trying to stay well clear of Garrity, who for some reason always seems to have it in for him, to the point of over-riding!! PS. Great piece of pre-meeting build-up in the local Echo today by Middlo and Matt - should help towards another big crowd tonight!!

It would have been good for any 'hearing' to have been resolved before tonight's return meeting at Poole?!!

Not much new on the BBC Tapes up programme other than Mick saying 'its not about the money - its the principle'!! I wish Mick and Havvy would decide on their stance and then stick to it!!!

Didn't it used to be heat 6 for no fan refunds and heat 12 to call the meeting if necessary. Now if a meeting is called off before heat 10 is complete then a reduced admission price is applicable at a future meeting - details on display at the turnstiles!! (At least that is what it states in the Poole programme, so I assume its the same at other EL clubs?)

I don't think I said it quite like that. What I said or meant to suggest was I doubt any promotion would/could pay the financial guarantees that he was seeking at the beginning of the season. Poole certainly wouldn't pay it for a 3rd heat leader position to a rider who struggled when promoted to that position last season and whose fixture availability was questionable.. As we are now part way through the season, maybe his financial demands and other fixtures have reduced sufficiently to enable clubs to consider him?

Its a vendetta by the officials - Havvy said so!! (I'm joking - couldn't resist) Seriously though I have every sympathy with any promoter losing money in similar circumstances. Any enquiry - if there is one - should at least clarify to one and all - including fans - who is ultimately responsible for deciding on whether a Sky meeting, or indeed any other meeting should be on or not - the home promoter? Sky? GSI? The SCB officials? The team managers/riders? At least everyone would then know once and for all!! Having said that, I'm sure such protocols are already in place and known by the promoters and all concerned - except the fans !!

As long as Batch has got over his 'Polish sausage' episode, I can't see anyone beating the Aussies - unless Batch and Morra are unwilling to upset their club manager?!

Mick Horton has the current lease agreement to run speedway at Brandon - at whatever level he chooses. If however he chooses to walk away I'm not sure any other (potential) promoter would agree to take it on with such a short lease agreement. Very sad situation. Doubtless more info on this evening's 'Tapes Up' programme on BBC Cov & Warwicks!!

So for the uninitiated its at Lakeside!!

I agree. Shame it didn't happen with Pedersen and Walasek!!

Yet Havvy, when interviewed at the start of the meeting, said quite clearly that Terry - the regular trackman - had worked tirelessly all day to get the track fit to race!!? That probably meant getting it fairly slick so that it could take a bit of rain, but when the Bees riders did their track walk around 6.15pm they saw it wasn't to their liking and got Terry to put some of the shale back and to churn up the starts - just before it started raining!!!

only if it all fits within 34 points!!!

Fair enough, I wasn't sure although that's not what Middlo was saying at the time, but hey?! We must assume therefore that the Meeting Steward and the Referee DID consult and decided to continue to Heat 10, whereupon I believe the rules say that a result can be declared! That's a SCB/BSPA rule agreed by all, or a majority of, promoters - not a Sky/GSI rule I gather!?

I believe he's already turned Leicester down once - but that might change?! Although MF doesn't like DH talking to his assets without permission, so I doubt it will happen!!

His lawyers raised certain questions within the 21 day period - stopping short of an actual appeal. I believe his lawyers have recommended no further comment - which might go some way to explain the interview on Sky!!

Thought the rules stated that the losing team could only request a track inspection after heat 10?! Something that Middlo has quoted in his post-meeting interviews.(Probably thinking back to that BV meeting which was their call ). So I guess Mr Clark rechecked his rule book and ruled accordingly! Any decision to re-run a meeting based on what some members of one team said would immeadiately challenge the decision of the Meeting Steward and/or Referee. Can't see that happening - it could potentially make every meeting farcical. PS. all this additional controversy simply adds to the pre-promotion of the next Poole home meeting on 17th - v Coventry! I expect a big crowd and lots of 'atmosphere'!!

Although Doyle is one of the 3 Torun foreigners that Ward would have to replace in order to get any Polish races - so they might not get on that well?!

As has been stated before - but undoubtedly lost in the mists of time anger - Darcy apologised to Poole fans and sponsors at their end of season Awards night, last November.

I repeat my post from the Go Speed thread (I hadn't realised the difference): I have some sympathy with Horton having missed out on a big payday that undoubtedly was built into this season's business plan. I also think its right to issue a reply to the GSI statement and request an enquiry into that aspect of 'who calls the shots on Sky meetings?' However if they do get a meeting with BSPA/SCB and 'all concerned' and they do produce all the relevant statements of fact, how are they going to explain away both Horton and Havelock stating on TV, Podcast and in print that there was absolutely no fault on the part of Poole!! So any attempt to deduct Poole's points and restage the meeting should rightly be ignored. Maybe if Mick/Havvy ask Matt/Middlo nicely, both clubs can stage a home leg of a Challenge meeting for the 2015 version of the 'Hokey Cokey Cup' , previously competed for by the Bees and Panthers some years ago?! Promote it as a real grudge match - throw in some mud-wrestling for the Brandon leg - watch the crowds flood in @ a tenner per head - everyone's a winner!!

I have some sympathy with Horton having missed out on a big payday that undoubtedly was built into this season's business plan. I also think its right to issue a reply to the GSI statement and request an enquiry into that aspect of 'who calls the shots on Sky meetings?' However if they do get a meeting with BSPA/SCB and 'all concerned' and they do produce all the relevant statements of fact, how are they going to explain away both Horton and Havelock stating on TV, Podcast and in print that there was absolutely no fault on the part of Poole!! So any attempt to deduct Poole's points and restage the meeting should rightly be ignored. Maybe if Mick/Havvy ask Matt/Middlo nicely, both clubs can stage a home leg of a Challenge meeting for the 2015 version of the 'Hokey Cokey Cup' , previously competed for by the Bees and Panthers some years ago?! Promote it as a real grudge match - throw in some mud-wrestling for the Brandon leg - watch the crowds flood in @ a tenner per head - everyone's a winner!!

...and not happening either!!!