SteveLyric2

It wasn't me who first used 'an 8 point average' as an example (it was Aces51 I think). My point was that if Newman (or Auty, Howarth, Worrall) finishes the 2016 season with a 1-5 spot and an average potentially equivalent to a good 2nd string/3rd heat leader position, then they will have earned that by riding in 'stronger races' and therefore could be considered for a 2017 1-5 place. Lets not forget that one of the proposals on the BSPA AGM table was for one or both second strings to be British!!!

I thought BV might have been allowed to strengthen up a little in order to compete more strongly rather than just go with no chance of winning - (not sure what rider assets BV have!!? Thats why Poole declined initially.

Only on here!!!

Apart from the fact that both reserves cannot be in the 1-5, (see post #34 above), I wouldn't mind a spell with Chris at reserve - if only for all the upset it would cause all other clubs' fans!! ;-) In Poole's case it is still likely to be Brady that drops to reserve, as Davey's rolling average will keep him higher initially I think when Poole complete their 2nd away meeting at Brandon next Friday 22nd, which will come into effect 7 days later.. PS. I've emailed the BSPA again this morning for clarification on the EDR rules.

A photo of the offending fan could be taken by a stadium/speedway official on their smartphone and then circulated on all social media platforms, which all clubs utilise to maximum effect!! I think I've got that right, but not entirely sure?! ;-)

I wasn't suggesting as a heat leader, merely in the 1-5, as the next obvious step in his development!!

He wouldn't say yes to Leicester if they stick to Saturdays!!!

I'm sure Scunny are 'steeling' themselves for an improvement in attendances now!!

What I meant to say was if Newman, (or Auty or Howarth) finishes on an 8 point average (or 6 or 7 points for that matter) AND finishes in the 1-5, then he will have earned that average by riding and beating other heat leaders and therefore be worth a 1-5 place in 2017!! After all its about developing and improving British talent, isn't it?!

Mark Loram was pee-d off with both Matt Ford and Norrie Allan because they hadn't bothered to involve him personally in the negotiation before it all fell through. Mark would have accepted what Matt had offered had he been given the chance. Getting vans for riders was hardly a problem given who the club's sponsors were!! As for the 'one in the room' I would suggest it was either Mike Golding or the late Pete Ansell - the latter being who told me almost exactly as SS described above.

Not a cat in hell's chance!!

Conveniently omitting that Lee Richardson also rode for Poole; that the Lakeside management were in full agreement to the Masters change (bearing in mind he didn't get injured until the parade lap!!) and that the change was sanctioned and approved by the SCB official. Also the meeting was not ridden 'under protest'!!

People seem to be forgetting that averages will change/be updated every 2 weeks through the season. If Kyle Newman does finish on an 8 point average then he will be worth a top 5 place the following year (and another top 5 rider may well be on a steal of an average for 2017)

The rule isn't clear-cut, otherwise there wouldn't be any disagreement on its interpretation. I interpret the rule to mean 'highest EDR starting average' whilst others interpret it as 'highest EDR average at any time'? Both reserves are going to gain new averages throughout the season, which may end up higher than those in the 1-5, BUT it doesn't mean both/either will/can be promoted - unless my interpretation and the understanding of some riders is incorrect. Update: No reply from BSPA towers as yet.

Nothing RP. most of their employees work evening shifts so can't attend anyway!!! :-)

So Auty to the 1-5 and Klindt to reserve - or is that for the meeting after this one??

He did say that - before the BSPA's final meeting to approve the rules. As I said, I'll stand corrected if its different to my understanding. As far as Kyle Newman is concerned, as long as he gets his chance at some point to go into the 1-5, he'll be happy. Equally I'm sure many Poole fans will be happy to keep Kyle at reserve and for Adam to be promoted initially.

I've emailed the BSPA offices for confirmation. No matter who is correct or otherwise on here, surely its what the riders themselves understand and have agreed to?!

But he can't be replaced by another rider from the original heat leader list until after 1st May, so it would have to be r/r.

So Kerr to the 1-5 and Swidders to reserve?! Is that right?

What I find surprising are thos fans that reckon Watt will drop to reserve when Newman comes up?! It'll be Brady dropping to reserve as Davey's rolling average will maintain his 1-5 position - at least for the immediate future. I hope Watty can get over his off track issues asap - I don't believe they are injury-related!!

..because Woryna isn't as good as Zmarzlik, and hadn't ridden at the same level in Poland or internationally.

No. What I'm saying is that Tier 2 reserves eg Ellis cannot be promoted into the 1-5. Its only for Tier 1 riders or those reserves with the higher starting average at the beginning of the season - which means the Tier 1 reserve in all EL cases I believe. Unless there has been a change to this rule which I, Newman and Ellis and others are not yet aware of?! If there has been a change, then I stand corrected - and it needs to be made clear to all clubs and their reserves!!

I'll make a sizeable donation to the SRBF if Ellis is in the 1-5 a week Friday!!!!

All the warnings that I've seen or heard state 'no filming without prior permission'! This presumably means there might be a way forward?!