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Thursday 3rd May 1984 Wimbledon 46 Sheffield 32 This was reported in Speedway Star as a League Cup tie but it was a BL match. It's also on a results sheet I've had for ages as a League Cup tie. Racecard & report here http://www.dropbox.com/s/bmnxsvfe5fzyqiq/19840503WimbvShef.pdf

http://www.dropbox.com/s/qx9zeza6ok3itl4/19830411ScunvGlas.pdf Here's the racecard and results sheet for the meeting in question. Heat 6 had some argy bargy with Crabtree and McKinna seemingly excluded in separate incidents but no further mention of it in despatches. Not sure what you've got going down with Armitage but he only took 3 rides,wasn't in heat 16 (and neither was Steve), and the time of the race he won was bettered by 6 others on the night! Harry retired after the Middlesbrough match on 8th April. He took a heavy fall in the previous weeks opening meeting and was clearly under par against the Boro, scoring just 3 from 6. According to Dick Barrie reporting in the same weeks Speedway Star Harry 'took the brunt of the crowd's discontent after the Middlesbrough defeat' which was true, although it must be said if John Walmsley hadn't fallen while leading THREE times the home Tigers would surely have prevailed. But it was Harry who the fans made the scapegoat. It's also reported he sold all his equipment to Kenny McKinna. With Martin McKinna sidelined with chicken pox, Tigers' were forced to draft in a local junior to compete at Mildenhall on the Sunday and Scunny on the Monday. Harry made a one-off return in a second-half race later in the season but retired again afterwards. Here's the 83 Tigers http://www.dropbox.com/s/8frdwrpwivmml4t/Craighead%20Park%201983%20Team%20Picture%2015th%20May%20v%20Edinburgh.jpg

I found this recently on the Easy Tiger forum, Kestrels v Glasgow from 1981: http://www.vimeo.com/66895456

They actually had five bites at settling this - sorry I don't have the racecards. 15/09 1st Leg Coventry 41 - 37 Belle Vue 04/10 2nd Leg Rained Off 18/10 2nd Leg Belle Vue 41 - 37 Coventry (staged as double header with Cradley, Heathens match was rained off) 24/10 Replay 1st Leg Coventry 46 - 32 Belle Vue (This match also counted for British League points) 01/11 Replay 2nd Leg Belle Vue 40 - 38 Coventry (staged as double header with Cradley, Heathens won 41-37)

Click on the link in the 'Competition' column where it says 'British Elite/Premier/National League in...' and it should take you to a match report of the meeting shown in the 'Winner' column. Use the same method to view Raiders matches here http://speedwayresul...gue&season=2012 Or, and I had forgotten about this, try the BSPA archives for 2012 here, it will certainly answer your riders' names question but not the guests http://www.speedwayg...archives12.html Speedway Updates have an archive section: Lakeside 2012 http://speedwayupdates.proboards.com/board/237/lakeside-hammers-2012 Rockets 2012 http://speedwayupdates.proboards.com/board/330/rye-house-rockets-2012 Raiders 2012 http://speedwayupdates.proboards.com/board/314/rye-house-raiders-2012

Your attempts were noble, good sir (who I believe was making his debut for a certain team that night, or have I grabbed the wrong end of the bison?) and much good will come of the marked white helmet colour race win. Keep those old programmes, and you could do worse than take a meander through the http://www.speedwayresearcher.org.uk/ website. Then put the kettle on, get the boxes from the attic, and check the results of as many programmes as you can. You know you want to...

Try here: Rye House http://speedwayresults.com/teams.php?country=GB&name=Rye House Rockets&season=2012 Lakeside http://speedwayresults.com/teams.php?country=GB&name=Lakeside Hammers&season=2012

Harry MacLean had retired by then, David Cassels rode at No. 4. The fact your race winner was marked in white may just answer my question though. Speedway Star reports result as McMillan, Crabtree, Hollingworth, Powell with Lawson excluded on 2 mins. I wondered if Powell was a replacement for Cassels in Y/B, then Jimmy Mac was brought in on a TS when Steve blew out on 2 mins.

I've been playing around with Excel racecards all season and I thought I'd offer the most recent draft up for the final. Both legs are in the one workbook with teams and meeting details as known completed. Changes can be made as required, and to switch a rider to RR just pop RR in the appropriate info cell. Each meeting is across 3 tabs - riders scorechart, meeting racecard and a stats page with gates totals, riders' totals in order with maximum/paid indicator, a rider replacement tracker if in operation, and the top 3 race times. The 2nd Leg stats page carries an aggregate score tracker. Two versions available: For Excel 2007 and newer users http://www.dropbox.c...2013 FINAL.xlsx For 97-2003 users http://www.dropbox.c...2013 FINAL.xlsx The only difference between the two files is the colour conditional formatting is not available on the older version as it doesn't support it. Workbooks are designed to be viewed in full screen mode on a 'square' screen (eg 1024 x 768) widescreen users may need to adjust size using excel zoom function. I've been using this version of the workbook for a month or so and I'm 99% sure everything is in working order. There's a couple of things need improvement but that's for next season now. You can view the season long evolution of the workbook here http://www.dropbox.c...mqi3/sbZoQUYaPj I hope everyone enjoys the final, and thanks to all the contributors to the Swedish threads this season. And a big thanks to Dave Goddard on the mike for a sterling job as always.

Indeed I have, and several of the contributors. As I said it really needs people who were at the meetings in question and who are armed with a marked programme. I have Speedway Stars for seasons 83 & 84, and a 1985 file compiled from Star/Mail results. I also have the 1986 yearbook to work from. Plus of course most of the meeting programmes, but many of the aways were completed using the Star results. The files for these seasons are destined for Speedway Researcher, so I'd like to get them as accurate and complete as possible before publishing.

Cheers, chaps, no problem. I highly recommend the Coventry section on Researcher for format-related queries, a tremendous collection of detailed files presented in 'race card' form. http://www.speedwayresearcher.org.uk/coventry.html

Updated 06/10/14 Practically all of these requests require having a marked meeting programme to hand and/or an elephantine memory. 1982 14/05/82 v Boston (NL) - Boston #8 & Ht 15: Framingham/G.Wilson helmet colours 21/05/82 v Exeter (NL) - Ht 12: Millard/Brewer helmet colours 04/06/82 v Milton Keynes (NL) - Ht 14: White/Sparshott helmet colours 21/06/82 at Newcastle (NL4TT) - Glasgow reserve 07/07/82 v Oxford (NL) - Ht 8: Drury/Cross helmet colours 11/07/82 at Boston (NL) - Ht 8: Lawson/MacLean helmet colours 18/07/82 v Peterborough (NL) - Ht 1: Confirm result - Mason fell or 4th 18/07/82 v Peterborough (NL) - Ht 5: Confirm result - Hines/Buck 3rd/4th 24/07/82 at Stoke (NL) - Ht 16: Confirm result - Caffrey 4th or f or f'rem 30/07/82 at Peterborough (NL) - Ht 5: Confirm result - Barney 4th or ret 30/07/82 at Peterborough (NL) - Ht 10: Confirm result - A.Hines 4th or ret 30/07/82 at Peterborough (NL) - Ht 16: Confirm result - M.Hines exc,tapes or reserve replacement 13/08/82 v Scunthorpe (NL) - Ht 14: Teager/Parr helmet colours 20/08/82 v Berwick - Confirm Heats 1 & 4 times 27/08/82 v Stoke - Ht 16: Burdfield/Sant helmet colours 04/09/82 v Weymouth (NL) - Silver Helmet heat results 11/09/82 at Berwick (NL) - Ht 8: Lawson/K.McKinna helmet colours All away 2nd half details. Home 2nd half details for: 14/05 v Boston, 21/05 v Exeter, 04/06 v Milton Keynes, 18/06 NL4TTQR, 02/07 v Newcastle, 07/07 v Oxford, 06/08 v Middlesbrough, 13/08 v Scunthorpe, 27/08 v Stoke, 10/09 v Crayford, 17/09 v Rye House and 22/10 v Buccaneers. 1983 10/04/83 at Mildenhall (NL) - Mildenhall #8 11/04/83 at Scunthorpe (NL) - Ht 16: McMillan/Powell helmet colours 25/04/83 at Exeter (NL) - Ht 8: Lawson/McKinna helmet colours 15/05/83 v Edinburgh (CH) - Ht 14: Confirm result - Walsh exc or ret 30/05/83 at Newcastle (NL) - Ht 14: Reid/McMillan helmet colours 08/07/83 v Weymouth - Scottish Junior League heat details & any other 2nd half races 19/07/83 at Weymouth - Ht 13: Evans/Irving helmet colours 16/09/83 v Edinburgh (Postponed) - Programme printed? (No re-issue) All Away 2nd half details. 1984 17/06/84 at Berwick (NL4TTQR 4th Leg) - Middlesbrough reserve 23/06/84 at Stoke - Ht 6: Confirm result - Owen exc or fell (SStar says exc, marked prog says fell) 15/07/84 at Long Eaton - Ht 8: Lawson/Collins helmet colours 05/08/84 v Edinburgh - Ht 4: Confirm result - Cassels 4th or fell or f'rem (SStar says fell, one marked prog says 4th, another says fell) 31/08/84 v Weymouth - Ht 5: Confirm result - McKinna 4th or fell or f'rem (SStar says fell, marked prog says 4th) 07/09/84 v Mildenhall - Ht 10: Confirm result - Bales 4th or ret (SStar says 4th, one marked prog says ret, another says 4th) 09/09/84 at Mildenhall - Glasgow #8 All away 2nd half details. 1985 12/04/85 v Poole - Heat 10: Confirm result - Biles exc or f,exc (Two marked programmes have 'exc', another programme and Speedway Star report 'f,exc') 20/04/85 at Stoke - 2nd half results 21/04/85 at Birmingham - 2nd half results 26/04/85 v Berwick - Rider of the Night 2nd place heat times 18/05/85 at Canterbury - 2nd half results 19/05/85 at Mildenhall - 2nd half results 02/06/85 at Workington (Inter. Chal.) - All heat results & 2nd half details 20/06/85 at Middlesbrough 4TT - Reserve race results 22/06/85 at Berwick 4TT - Reserve race results 30/06/85 at Eastbourne - ROTN Heat 3 2nd place time 02/07/85 at Poole - Silver Helmet Match Race Time 03/07/85 at Wimbledon - ROTN Final heat time 25/07/85 at Arena Essex - 2nd half results 26/07/85 at Peterborough - 2nd half results 01/08/85 at Middlesbrough - 2nd half results 07/08/85 at Edinburgh - 2nd half results 25/10/85 at Birmingham - 2nd half results 1986 04/04/86 at Peterborough (NL) - 2nd half results 30/04/86 at Edinburgh (KOC) - 2nd half results 12/06/86 at Middlesbrough (NL4TT) - Additional races results 13/06/86 at Edinburgh (NL4TT) - Additional races results 14/06/86 v Edin v Midd v Berw (NL4TT) - Ht 9: Confirm result - Burrows ret or fell or f'rem,ret 15/06/86 at Berwick (NL4TT) - Additional races results 13/07/86 at Hackney (NL Pairs) - Tigers scorers and finishing position 23/07/86 at Long Eaton (NL) - 2nd half results 27/07/86 at Birmingham (NL) - 2nd half results 28/07/86 at Exeter (NL) - 2nd half results 29/07/86 at Poole (NL) - 2nd half results 12/08/86 at Milton Keynes (NL) - 2nd half results 13/08/86 at Wimbledon - 2nd half results 14/08/86 at Arena-Essex (NL) - Confirm 2nd half results 28/08/86 at Middlesbrough (NL) - Middlesbrough #8 & NJL match heat results 31/08/86 at Mildenhall (NL) - Confirm 1st or 2nd in double header with Peterborough 08/09/86 at Newcastle (NL) - Ht 10: Beaton/Cooper helmet colours 03/10/86 v Birmingham (NL) - Birmingham captain & confirm Heat 4 Caffrey - reserve rep. or exc, 2 mins.

I believe this is what you're after. Taken from Speedway Researcher: 1 4 1 4 2 5 2 5 3 6 3 6 1 7 1 8 4 8 4 7 3 6 2 5 2 5 3 6 3 6 1 4 2 7 2 7 5 8 5 8 1 4 3 6 2 5 1 4 3 7 3 7 6 8 6 8 1 4 2 5 3 6 3 6 2 5 2 5 1 4 1 4

Can anyone confirm times of heats 1-10 at Eskilstuna last night? They were all recorded as 60.0 on official scoring. Thanks.

Boring statistic time - there were no heat winners from gate 1 in either meeting tonight.

Alden didn't ride again - heat 11 went with 3 only. His left foot was heavily bandaged when we last saw him going into the ambulance. Delay was for track grading, a grippy spot on bend 2 (that caused the crash) seemed to be the problem.

Andy Grahame's entry in the 1980 yearbook reads: "Despite several injuries qualified for both the Gauloises National League Riders' Championship and Gauntlet British League Championship Finals - the first rider in history to do so." His NL average with Milton Keynes was 9.47 from 27 matches, his BL average with Birmingham was 7.68 from 25 matches. Billy Sanders, who left the Brummies for Ipswich at the start of September, averaged 9.32 from his 26 matches.

There may be more to the earlier musical analogy than you think. I've been in and around the club/pub cabaret scene for over 25 years in a multitude of guises from performer to roadie and there are undoubtedly parallels to speedway. The clubs were at their peak in the seventies to the extent that if you weren't in the queue at 7 o'clock there was a good chance you weren't getting a seat. In many towns across the country it was THE place to be of a weekend. When I entered the game in the mid-eighties things had taken a dip but you could still easily find work 3/4 nights a week, more if you were a true top liner. Many acts were full-time performers, no need for a day job, and they commanded wages that the ordinary working man could only dream about. As the eighties rolled over to the nineties it was plain to see that crowds were fading away. The clubs became more unfashionable with what we term the 'younger generation' as they saw the fare on offer as something for their mums and dads. The majority of promoters/convenors did little to address this. Crowds continued to dwindle and work for acts began to dry up. Where once you could easily make a living on your own doorstep, you were now having to travel much further afield to keep the diary full. The faces in the crowd got older and older, fewer and fewer and still it was bingo and a singer. Fast forward to today and you're lucky to have a gig a week in your diary. Thursday/Friday/Sunday nights are all but gone, and clubs and pubs have closed down in their thousands. You can blame the smoking ban, cheap supermarket booze, the recession, whatever takes your fancy but the bottom line is they failed to move with the times and many have now paid the ultimate price. There are those who survive, indeed prosper, and those are the places that adapted to demand, changed the bill, promoted to the younger crowd and tried at least to keep it fresh. But by and large you stand on the stage looking out a smattering of faces, most of them in their 50's and 60's, all waiting for their bingo card and yet another rendition from the Tony Orlando songbook. You can swap out 99% of the above and replace it with speedway - riders having to race across two, even three leagues to make any sort of living. Deserted stadiums populated only with those who have been traipsing along for years. Little effort (apparently) being made to modernise and refresh the entertainment on offer, and those that try do so in the fear that they will isolate their remaining crowd, such is the thinness of the line they are walking financially. The £10 notion is an honourable one but it is completely unworkable. Based on figures provided by the management at Glasgow they would have to double their average gate to break even. You'd have to be either wildly optimistic or clinically insane to believe that will happen. The sport has had myriad opportunities to build a solid base for it's future but chose not to do so for whatever reason and, like the club and pub circuit, has largely had it's day. Like the acts who once commanded £400 a night but now work for a third of that just to do what they love, riders have to realise, or be made to realise, that the money at UK level isn't there any more. Address that issue and you might, just might, save the sport in some form in this country. Over the years I've heard many convenors tell me their answer to dragging their social club out of the mire. The one that has always remained with me came from arguably one of the most successful clubs still operating in the West of Scotland - "Never pander to the minority". Perhaps there is a lesson to be learned there. Perhaps not. Perhaps it's too late to make any difference.

Speedway World Cup 2013 Excel workbooks for Events 1 & 2 are now available. Teams are in draw order and riders can be added as and when confirmed. The full series workbook has also been updated with the draw and results from the two qualifying rounds. https://www.dropbox.com/sh/qyguy0tkpiayk3s/6T6h5i9QP6?m

Just noticed your post - thanks for that

That's the second time in recent weeks you've made such an accusation so pray tell, who's copying what? And while you're at it, can you say why all your links take you to the website holding page rather than directly to the file itself? You wouldn't be artificially driving up your site hits now, would you? For your information, your hidden site statistics counter uses cookies of which, by law, users have to be made aware. You may wish to update your website with the appropriate notification. If anyone wants to copy my files, wire in. But why bother? It's a doddle knocking these things up, have a bash yourself. After all, it's just Etch-a-sketch for the 21st century...

According to http://scbgb.co.uk/pdf/rider_listings/Riders%2012.06.13%20-%20printable.pdf the oldest registered rider is Brian Cooper (DOB 12/01/1934). Kevin Keay (DOB 25/12/60) is still doing NJL. Anderson's DOB is 27/9/62.

I don't see it staged in either 1968 or 1969. Dave Jessup won the event on 3/6/70.

Spot on! They don't pay out in a 5-0 either.

Ahh thanks R&R - I don't think I came back to the thread after your answer I've watched all the matches this season but only noticed that no-one seemed to call yesterday. The token came up with a 1, so it must be 1 or 2 rather than heads/tails. And I finally worked out why my bonus points totals don't always tie in with the official scores as well. That info's probably posted elsewhere as well but don't ruin my sense of achievement