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Mad Wellie won in the slowest time of the night: Ht 08: Holloway, Hunt, Campbell, Andersen, 70.9 Recently updated full season Exeter 1984 file here https://www.dropbox.com/s/glpaeebol8hsxut/Exeter%201984.pdf?dl=0

Sidney, why do they call you 'The Tangent'? Here you go https://www.dropbox.com/s/nk0jh3bdle0kdx8/19840523PoolevReadLC.pdf?dl=0

Reported as 'The Netherlands' under the headline 'Bristol win in Holland'.

Speedway Star reported the heat details but unfortunately they don't tie in with the scorers published in the report or in the yearbook. Dutchmen Kroeze and Stemen should score 8 apiece, but are shown as 11 and 5. Bulldogs Cribb and Boocock should score 4 and 1 respectively, but are shown as 5 and zero. The race formula was also slightly different to the 'traditional' 13 heats. And the Star didn't report the heat times. The Bristol programme, and I'm working with almost a full set here, makes no mention of the result. So, I'm looking for confirmation of the heat results, the riding orders and the heat times. Star results below, note that the riding orders are 'best guess'. https://www.dropbox.com/s/p9qq7yhdthsthri/19780723NethvBrisCH.pdf?dl=0

Thank you so much for all that information. That 48-47 match is remarkable for the number of home fallers which possibly kept the score closer than it should have been. Interesting to note the junior challenge match in 1984 took place, I've carried a note for years that it wasn't run! Great work, cheers.

Heat 6: A marked programme, signed by referee Peter Ryall no less, has Langli replacing Garard as a TS in y/b. Garard then comes in as a replacement for Gresham in white, the Yank being afforded an 'ex'. It's reported Gresham only took 1 ride before withdrawing so I'm assuming he was excluded on 2 minutes but this fact was not reported in the Star. So I need someone to confirm the above version of events or otherwise. As an aside - in the 3rd heat of the ROTN a S. Petterson finished in 2nd. Not a junior as far as I can see, any recollection of who this rider was? A trial Swede perhaps?

You are correct regarding conditions in 1983, a pre-meeting thunderstorm flooded the track. Everybody mucked in to sweep away the water and the match started an hour late. There was definitely an SJL match that night, Glasgow beat Berwick's NBS Brigands 12-6. I have the scorers from Speedway Star and I know it must have taken place that night because it's the only home match I missed in 1983 and all the rest check out. Both Yeates & Simon Cross were unbeaten that night. It always seemed to rain when the Wildcats were in town!

Speedway Star reports: Ht 01: Hines, I. Clark, Hunter, Hack, 69.4 Ht 06: Hines, I. Clark, Askew, Meredith, 70.0 Speedway Star and yearbook scorers indicate that Clark won one of these heats with Hines second - can anyone tell me which one?

Thanks Ray, another one off the list! Regarding Weymouth, might as well just keep it in this thread, my Glasgow-related queries are as follows: 11/05/1982 at Weymouth - any additional race results 26/04/1983 at Weymouth - confirm & update these 2nd half results https://www.dropbox.com/s/idxhdln7smihu3j/19830426WeymvGlasNL2ndhalf.pdf?dl=0 08/07/1983 at Glasgow - full SJL heat details & any other 2nd half races 19/07/1983 at Weymouth (KOC) - Heat 13 Evans and Irving helmet colours (double change) 17/07/1984 at Weymouth - full 2nd half results inc. junior matches (if staged) And if you followed the Wildcats along the coast: 02/07/1985 at Poole - Silver Helmet time 29/07/1986 at Poole - 2nd half results

Heat details were not reported in the Speedway Star. I have a marked programme which concurs with the scorers as printed in the Star. The yearbook however awards an extra ride to Nigel Davis at the expense of Kris Lane so I'd like someone to double-check what I have, confirm the time of heat 10 (not marked) and who Wildcats' #8 was. Racecard file here: https://www.dropbox.com/s/7qqfgeeqmqttiuf/19780813MKvWeymNL.pdf?dl=0

Yes indeed. I've also forwarded those scans to my Coventry expert. Many thanks again.

Excellent, many thanks. I think that resolves the 3 major problems and proves them to be a combination of Star & yearbook errors. Rob, I'd still welcome your input when you have the time.

I know Barrycuda can't help with this one, so hoping someone else can help sort this kerfuffle out. Speedway Star heat details show Dave Allen scoring 10. Speedway Star scorers and the yearbook award him 11. Heat details = Gary Guglielmi scoring 9. Star scorers & yearbook = 8. Heat details = Keith Bloxsome scoring 3. Star scorers concur with 3. Yearbook scores 4. Heat details = Stuart Cope scoring 8. Star concurs with 8. Yearbook scores 7. Heat details = Chris Roynon scoring 4. Star scorers = 3. Yearbook concurs with 4. Heat details = Geoff Pusey scoring 8 from 4 rides. Star scorers = 10. Yearbook = 9+1 from 5. Heat details = Charlie Monk scoring 7+1(5). Star scorers = 6. Yearbook = 6(4). Racecard from Speedway Star here: https://www.dropbox.com/s/3xdo96gtpz4ww3b/19780722BostvBarrNL.pdf?dl=0 Anyone that can sort that lot out, please get in touch.

This match was the second half of a double header with Poole. Speedway Star reports Reg Wilson scored 10+1 from 4 plus a 2 minute exclusion in heat 12. Yearbook reports 5 rides for Wilson. All other scores and rides tally with the Star report. Can anyone confirm Reg's fate in heat 12, and also confirm he was not replaced by a reserve? Ta muchly.

Would there be any 78 aways lurking in that collection? I have 4 outstanding queries from NL matches at Teesside, Edinburgh, Stoke and Peterborough, although the queries relate to the other teams, not Oxford. Thanks Rob, no rush.

The Cheetahs had an irritating habit of not reporting non-scorers/finishers which makes compilation of accurate figures a bit tricky. I've got a decent number (25 out of 31) of marked programmes to refer to but there are several differing results. The yearbook can't be trusted 100% so what I'm looking for is someone with meeting-marked programmes to review the home results for 78 and see if they can solve any problems, or point out any errors. The file is here https://www.dropbox.com/s/yap8q1bvf23bkm9/Oxford1978Home.pdf?dl=0 I appreciate this is quite a time-consuming task but it would go a long way towards improving the accuracy of the file. Thanks.

Heat 8: Speedway Star reports: Crump, Owen, Langli, Turner (exc), 74.8 Marked programme has Turner excluded replaced by reserve Garard. Heat 15: SStar: Salomonsson, Langli, Pendlebury, Hole, 74.8 Programme has Garard as the replacement, not Hole. Heat 18: SStar: Langli, Morton, Coles, Tyrer, 75.2 Programme has Hole replacing Tyrer. Can anyone confirm the results of these heats and provide the reason for Turner's exclusion? Speedway Star result sheet here https://www.dropbox.com/s/k87ffr915hsz9fq/19780519BrisWCQRVWGP.pdf?dl=0

Yes Koppe in heat 4, my mistake. Thanks, I'll class this one as resolved.

First ever meeting at the Groveway and a couple of things I'd like to check: Ht 03: SStar reports Koppe retired. Marked programme indicates he fell. Ht 08: SStar reports: Sampson, Bass, Casey, MacLean, 74.2 Programme records MacLean in 3rd and Casey 4th Ht 20: SStar reports: Owen, Bass, Holloway, MacLean, 71.5 MacLean is a reserve replacement for John Jackson. Programme does not record the change, reports Jackson (ef). Ordinarily I'd accept the Stars' version of events as they tie in with the yearbook, but the programme is well completed so I thought it was worth confirming what was what. If someone can confirm any of the above I'd be much obliged.

Thanks for that. You appear to have given Barker's point in heat 11 to Les Collins otherwise it ties in exactly with the yearbook. Which means it's two Speedway Star errors in heats 3 & 8 to blame and I'll consider this one resolved. Thanks.

Heat 2 is reported in Speedway Star Barker, J. Verner, Prinsloo, Brett, 69.8. Prinsloo, Brett and the heat time are actually from heat 3. I need to confirm the result of this heat which should include Sean Willmott and Paul Woods. Speedway Star scorers report Turner 1, Morton 5, Brett 4, Barker 4 Speedway Star heat details equal Turner 1 from 5, Morton 7(4), Brett 2+2(4), Barker 4(3) Yearbook has Turner 1(4), Morton 4(4), Brett 4+2(4), Barker 5(4) Due to a number of possible permutations the only option is for me to confirm all 13 heats. Speedway Star report here https://www.dropbox.com/s/piv7775jqhy2lck/19780825ExevBVKOC.pdf?dl=0

Thank you both. I've now classified this one as resolved.

Thank you both. I'll be recording them both as tapes exclusions based on your evidence.

It's definitely Andy Heyes. Came out the Belle Vue training schools and rode around the northern tracks for a few years without ever really making the grade. I think he had a brother who raced as well, Paul. I may be wrong about this, but I believe Heyes was the rider who was shown looping at the gate during the old Grandstand opening titles.

It's definitely Carl (with a 'C') Clarke (with an 'e') and Andy Heyes (not Hayes). Just another Star printing error.