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Most people have a short fuse when they are young but usually learn to be a bit more measured as they get older. If someone's choice in life is not to learn by experience, and to react in a hotheaded way all the time they cannot expect people to keep cutting them slack time after time. As I said, we all have to follow the same forum rules. Most of us disagree quite strongly at times but we have to learn to get over it and get on with it.

You have started some good topics TWK and people try to wind you up but you don't go threatening people. We all have to follow the same set of rules and pay the same price if we don't.

Riders were much better at making mistakes in the ? 70's and 80's? riders like, like Lee ang Carter made. Some terrific mistakes and the crowds came flocking in ? riders today don't know what mistakes are.Ward ? don't make me laugh he don't know what mistakes are, mad wellie made mistakes than ward one night a cradlley then the next night he was line a choirboy?me I don't care who wins the match as long as there are plenty of mistakes? your right Starman , matt fords good for the sport nobody makes better mistakes than him appointing middlo was a terrific mistake and I'm 73 years old now. If I see you Orion I'll punch you up the throat? and I've seen Bob kilby and crashby ride when my uncle took me in 1847.

If Lakeside or any other EL club did not have priority there would be little point in signing young assets and bringing them on. Look beyond Adam and consider young riders generally. Lakeside in conjunction with Martin Hagon have invested in the Hagon Shocks Academy where young riders can develop on the training track from a young age. Itis the sort of thing that Britsh speedway needs. What would be the point if other clubs could cherry pick whoever they want from the training school and Lakeside missed out on them. Lakeside have to consider their own paying customers that keep the team going. Adam is one of the best second tier FTDR riders. Why should the fans have to put up with an inferior guest for half the season? Fans of all clubs are complaining about too many guests as it is. The fault with all this is that the PL resolutely refuse to have anything to do with training young Brits and prefer to pack their sides with foreign riders. Unless and until the PL come on board with an eqivilant of the FTDR or in some other way Give preference to young Brits over foreign inports there will always be problems of this nature.

I don't know what's happened to Coventry. Decent stadium, some of the best fans around and what should be an excellent track but the track prep seems to have gone to pot over recent years. I haven't been for a couple of years but for a few years before that it always seemed to be in need of dirt being dragged back from the fence. I don't know if things have improved but when I read of meeting regularly over-running there I wonder who is lmanaging the presentation. It used to be such a good place to visit. I don't know why they don't seem to have enough track staff. They have plenty of stirrers as well .

That is the point. We have all seen start marshals call riders to the tapes three lor four times and the riders still sits there fiddling with his clutch , adjusting his goggles or whatever, and the referee rarely does anything. I remember a few years ago in an SWCqualifier Chris Gay disqualified Matej Zagar for wasting time at the start after previously having given a warning and the meeting ran like clockwork after that. I would suggest that is what needs to be done more frequently If a rider habitually wastes time he gets one warning then next time he goes out of the race. You are right in that riders will take liberties and the new rule is a step in the right direction in that it cuts down the amount of fiddling around a rider can do because there is obviously less that can be done sitting on the bike than by getting off, so I disagree with those who say it is a stupid rule, but it has to be used as part of a general crackdown on time wasting at the start, but as Bwittcher has already said it would be boring if the riders came out and started straight away so you need a little time for the riders to prepare and to build a bit of pre-race tension. It's all a question of getting the balance right.

Obviously its not going to waste time if they don't get off their bikes and get themselves excluded , which clearly they won't be.

Without the fast track he would have a PL place but he wouldn't have an EL place, plus he will have a full season with Brum riding at No1 so he will actually be doing more meetings than if he was just doing PL He will have plenty of time on the bike which is what he needs at this stage .

Polish speedway is in financial trouble and some riders are having to take. pay cuts, Hence a number of them have shown an interest in British clubs to make their money up. Not sure about AM but a number of Poles are finding it difficult to get jobs in Sweden.

Most people that comment about track prep on social media have little idea what is required to keep a track in raceable condition. Track prep,is a black art rather than a science. There is no hand book and much depends on the experience of the track curator. Some are very good, others not so good. With British weather it is virtually impossible to produce a perfect track every week, and often the fans who criticise the track don't realise that in the prevailing weather the track staff have often done a heroic job in getting the meeting on at all. Shale id another thing. Some of the really good shale pits are finished and decent quality shale which is not cheap is getting hard to come by, not just getting the stuff but transporting it to the track can be expensive if it has to come half the length of the country. The reality is that with clubs facing tough economic times they cannot just go out and buy 30 tons of shale every few weeks. In an ideal world the team captain should have some input. Dave Watt one that is very good in that respect, others are not so good. So that are a whole range of variable factors Some tracks have more proficient and better trained track staff than others. The fact that some rakers appear to pick the dirt off the kick boards and flick it 3 feet in does not necessarily mean they don't know what they are doing . Sometimes they are doing this because the track curator will pick it up with the grader and drag it across, but it also depends where the dirt line is. An good raker will watch out for lumps in the wrong places to try to minimise the risk of picking up unnecessary grip, but generally there needs to be a bit more dirt on bends two and four where the riders are accelerating out of the bend and a bit less on bends one and three where they are still sliding the bikes into the bend. The skills required vary from track to track but a lot depends on good communication between the promoter, the captain, the track curator and the rakers, which doesn't always happen. The main thing that riders want is a smooth consistent surface with no unexpected bumps and no erratic wet and dry patches where unexpected grip is picked up. However as I said different tracks need to be treated a bit differently and different track men have different ideas, but there does seem to be a general lack of expertise at some tracks while others are very good. Times change though. I can remember when Len Silver was probably the best trackman in the country. but these days whenever I go to Rye House, 2 or three times a year it all seems to be gate and go . Not sure if I have just been unlucky or whether Uncle Len has lost the plot but he is not the man he was.

There is no ongoing debate about it as far as this thread is concerned. Everyone who has commented unanimously agrees that the Facebook page is utter tripe, posted by someone who has sawdust for brains, is even less capable than you of constructing a coherent or cogent argument and it is.an indictment of the intelligence of those who "liked" it. There is nothing more to be discussed. Everybody who has posted is in agreement. Perhaps you might take the hint to take your potty ideas to facebook or some (un)social media site frequented by the sort of half wits that are ill informed enough and inarticulate enough to grant you the attention you crave but frankly you are making yourself look an idiot by continually banging away with your irrelevant point. Nobody agrees with you. Nothing more to discuss. Time to move on.

The referee has the power to fine riders or even exclude riders for wasting time at the start, but it rarely happens. A bigger problem than gardening is riders that hang around adjusting there clutches when being called to the line. A bit of balance and common sense is called for. If a rider is programmed to go out twice in three heats, and is given an extra ride between them, then obviously he needs a bit of a break to re-fuel, replace his tear-offs, swap his rear tyre round etc, but some are plainly wasting time, possibly to unsettle their opponents. Ultimately it is a bit like cricket where teams need to maintain an over rate to keep the flow going and the fans interested, and teams can be penalised for not bowling enough overs.

No, the rules say nothing about the start Marshall preparing the gate , let alone track staff. Of course we all know what went on at Eastbourne, there seem to be a number of tracks, such as Coventry and Rye House that don't seem to even have enough marshals to pull the dirt back on the bends, without having to find four more to prepare the gates.

But Muddlo did say in Speedway Star that "they've ruined two years of his career " . So according to Muddlo in those comments it not Darcy ruining his career it's the FIM. Muddlo would do wel to keep his trap shut on these occasions.

The SSarticle does say the directive is still at the draft stage so it will be interesting to see how the final wording and interpretation pan out. Two thoughts spring to my mind;~ 1. The power of modern machinery , especially dropping the clutch at such high revs churns the starting gate up much more than in the past so it is reasonable to give the riders some chance to prepare their gates, otherwise some will be coming onto a badly rutted gate position and have no real chance of a decent start. The real issue I think is not so much preparing the gate position but the fact that some riders take liberties in the amount of time they spend doing it, which in turn causes delays and disrupts the flow of the meeting. 2. I don't see any appreciable difference between a rider sitting on his bike preparing the gate position, as opposed to being allowed to dismount but keeping hold of the handlebars with his bike facing the right way. Again, the crucial thing is that it does't unnecessarily delay the flow of the meeting. I do think the rule is basically a good idea but like so many others it's success depends on a bit of common sense in its application.

Here we go again. There is always someone that will complain about imaginary rules that are not in the rule book. There are no "silly start rules" that handicap fast gaters and there is no rule that says they should enter the first vend together. The rule is that there should be an equal start in other words aimed against riders who try to anticipate the referee and gain an advantage. Unfortunately it is sometimes very difficult for the ref to distinguish between what is a good start as opposed to a rider jumping the start and getting away with it, and of course some refs are a bit over zealous in this but that is a refereeing problem not a rules problem. The other side of the coin is that if riders are allowed to get away with it when they jump the start often means a tapes to flag win and the crowd are deprived of a competitive race.

Getting off on a technicality would not automatically give rise to a court action. Darcy would still have to show that he was under the limit. The fact that the calibration may not have been checked prior to the test does't mean it was wrong. So Darcy's first hurdle would be to prove it was wrong at the time of the test, and that if accurate it would have shown him under the limit. Even if if he gets over the first hurdle he would still have to show that the FIM were negligent or in some way unreasonable in suspeded img him while they investigated, and that would also not be easy. There are also other potential problems depend which country court proceedings were started in. At the moment I would say that any court action is remote and at best long way off.

It would be of even more benefit if you were to apply the old adage that if you have nothing intelligent to say then say nothing.

Dumb comment. The FIM are not a contracting state to the European Court of Human Rights so Ward can't take his case there.

Ah yes that must be what happened. They probably made an announcement over the PA : "Er...we have suspicions that Darcy Ward has been at the Old Jollop again. If there is anyone in the crowd that happens to have a breathalyser with them would he please come forward and conduct a breath test" Sounds plausible to me.

You missed out Muddlo's Classic: " Darcy knows he did wrong...." I bet Matt and Darcy's lawyers loved that admission being broadcast.

I don't think many Lakeside fans would want Kylmo back but Kim is pretty popular with the crowd. Kim and AJ ride together in Sweden so it it would be logical to,put them together over here. Kennett should be a good partner to Lawson as they are both team players, and likely to help,each other .

None of us have a crystal ball of course but Kim and Richard have both top scored on away tracks on more than on one occasion. Lawson in particular has gone to Poole and beaten Darcy Ward twice, so the potential is there, but whether or not it materialises remains to be seen. Personally I don't think away wins is always about good riders but more about getting all the team to fire at the same time on tracks they should be able to ride well. This has been part of Lakesides problem in the past. Logically the best place to expect to win would be Eastbourne, and sometimes they did but more often there seemed to be someone or other that had an off night. It could be worse. They could be called the "Hawks" and then you would really have something to complain about !

I agree. They come in almost a point under the limit with no absolutely genuine second heatleader , although Biech will hopefully grow into that role. In a way taking a big gamble on several riders making big improvement but having said that, the potential is definitely there and if you don't take a gamble sometimes you don't normally win anything in speedway. At least it's new faces and a fresh approach. So, I would say, not exactly the strongest side in the League and not exactly nailed on for the play offs but the potential is there. Personally I like Kim and not disappointed with the choice. He has upped his average every time he has ridden for Lakeside. He and Ed Kennett will be pretty crucial players though.

Big balls has still got a bee in his bonnet about Ritchie Worrall and seems to want to keep having a go at Jon Cook about that, which is what Daytripper seems to be on about hence the reference to Worrall. Bigballs was going on about asking Worky fans what they thought of Cook but as between promotions there seems to be no real issue. Worky invoked a buy back clause which they were legally entitled to do after one season, although their early press releases seemed to indicate that they wanted him back there. Lawson is clearly happy at Lakeside though, given his rate of progress and a big hit with the fans. So basically sour grapes by Bigballs still going on about Worralll and trying to speak for Worky fans instead of just expressing his own opinion.