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Formerly rode for Hackney Hawks and Eastbourne Eagles I believe.

Is there any news about young Kenny yet ? I have heard rumours floating around that he has been talking to other clubs but nothing confirmed yet. The fact that Troy , Mads and Lambert have been announced hardly suggests that Mr Bjerre is flavour of the Month at Chapman Towers, but it's difficult to ignore his bargain average. Any hints from Norfolk Town. ?

Great couple of posts from someone who has just been on the Coventry thread with nothing constructive to say except telling someone he hopes they get banned ! ! Oh the irony. Glass houses , stones and all,that.

e You haven't done anything to offend me. I think your heart is in the place so far as your passion for the sport is concerned, but long before this thread others have commented on your posts which putting it as politely as I can lose the plot a bit by going OTT on the hyperbole. I don't think I can add anything I have not already said but sometimes it a good idea to be a bit more measured in your expressions otherwise the point you are trying to make doesn't come across. Try taking a leaf out if Gordon Bennets book, his posts are more moderate, well thought out and less of a rant.

I am pretty much in your camp on that . But the point I was making, if you look at the context, is not a question whether it should be averages or grades of rider control committees or any other single thing. It was in response to GRW 123 's sweeping generalisation that team equality governed by points per team has always been seen as a fair and acceptable way of doing things, but it clearly hasn't. Some people think it is but others clearly don't. That is the point. There is a divergence of views on all aspects. For example Bwitcher says that a heatleader list is necessary but they went about it the wrong way. Others are saying there was no need for a heatleader list and others are raising the old chestnut about the independent body. If someone wants to put forward the view that the system is a shambles, fair enough but that's no good if they can't put forward a coherent case for something that most others do along with. Personally, I think there is no absolute right and wrong in these things , the most important thing is whatever system you have, you also have to have the will and business acumen to make it work and it is on that later point that the BSPA fail, rather than the systems themselves. FWIW I think your suggestion for the basis of the HL list is a good one, but there are others that would suffice if organised properly. I think the point Skidder was making, if I understood it correctly is that we have been presented with this HL list without really understanding what reasoning, rationale, or criteria they applied. The final thing which I must admit I haven't got my mind round yet is what is the net result of the list. I take Bwitchers point that they seem to have more by luck than judgment got a reasonable list and without trawling back over the whole thread the only queries seem to relate to Watt , Buckowski and possibly Kennet but I am not sure that at the end of the day that will make a massive difference. Correct me if I am wrong because si am struggling with it a bit and others seem to be as well.

GRW 123 I can't quote the section of the post I want to quote because of the way you have done the reply, but you have gone off at a tangent again. You have talked about my and Skidders ideas but I haven't expressed any ideas. I have merely commented on a few things. I said Skidder has a point, I didn't say he is 100%correct. It seems that he , like me , his simply trying to assess the situation. If you bother to read my post properly I said there have been some good posts on the thread with DIFFERENT points of view. That's what is generally known as debate. The fact that there are different points of view, in some cases soundly put, indicates that it is not a clear cut matter. I like to look at each side of the argument. Unfortunately there are quite a few that are unable to put the argument coherently and it turns into the same old same old let's slag off the BSPA rhetoric that has all been done before. By going into meltdown all you do is turn people off the point you are trying to make, as others, including KL fans have said in the past. As to whether Skidder can be dispassionate, far be it from me to defend a Poolite but it's a subjective test and personally I find that apart from his obvious tongue in cheek remarks he is usually not too far off the mark for a South Coaster, to be honest.

No good having Richard Lawson if Glasgow switch race nights to Friday. We'll have to wait and see on that point. I very much doubt it would be PK who apparently doesn't come cheap. If Awesome doesn't come though, the options do appear to be limited.

Fair and acceptable way ? We have seen endless arguments on this forum about teams- usually Poole- getting riders on false averages. An argument that raised its head on a fairly regular basis is that there should be some sort of grading system because working purely on averages doesn't work. There are plenty of forum members that don't think it is it is a fair and acceptable way. There is a wide division of opinion on the point. Personally I think Skidder has a point. The problem with this sort of thread is that they always get hi-jacked by the usual suspects, led by yourself, that are always going to scream blue murder at anything the BSPA do, for better or worse. There have been some good posts on the thread with different points of view but the majority are incapable of judging the situation dispassionately. The bottom line is that once you have an EDR system you are going to need some protected heats, and once you have protected heats you will have skewed averages, and once you have skewed averages you need some method of dealing with them, and that in turn is going to lead to some nuances or border line cases. That is the real world. When we look at the teams that have been put together so far it seems to be the opinion of most posters that Poole and Belle Vue have strong looking sides and the rest are much of a muchness, or to put it another way round it is , broadly speaking a competitive league on paper. it's not going to be the end of the Elite League as we know it ( although other factors might cause that ) , but try taking a measured, dispassionate view, which is what Skidder is trying to do rather than going into melt down at the mere mention of the BSPA.

My match reports for Neasden F.C. in the Harlesden Recorder are always well received. Nothing wrong with Bad Manners when Buster Bloodvessel was with them. And it's E. I. Addio you.

The only issues that me and the people like me is whe n you and Red Panda make bald statements that fly in the face of common sense then can't back them up when challenged, even to the exrtent of implying Chris Holder is a liar when he talks about who he will or will not ride for.

I have never said I don't spout rubbish at times and when I do I get shot down, like everybody else. That's not the same as what you are doing here though which is making a statement about Chris Holder that has absolutely no factual or evidential basis whatsoever, which implies that either Holder is lying or Speedway Star are twisting the truth and printing the opposite of what he said. You didn't present that as an opinion you presented it as fact. Just as you said other promoters just sit back and wait for the fans to come to them, another statement that you couldn't, and still cant back up when asked. Opinions are one thing but I cant think of another poster on the forum, apart from Starman that consistently makes bald statements with no factual basis whatsoever. Take a deep breath and look at some of the unsubstantiated stuff you have posted, which is even making other Poole fans cringe

I agree. They have the delegated responsibility for the sport. We don't need a separate independent body making another layer of beaurocracy. The present structure is adequate, it just needs to be made to work properly, but as others have said, we don't live in a perfect world.

We all know that press articles SOMETIMES deviate from the truth, but unless you can produce evidence that this particular article is incorrect then it's reasonable to assume it's true. Starman has made a fool of himself and now has the good sense to keep quiet about if , you are losing whatever slim shred of credibility you may have had by clinging to the unlikely idea that Holders reported comment was the exact opposite of the truth, without a shred of proper evidence to back up your claim. Just like you said other promoters just sit back and wait for fans to come to them but you couldn't name them when I challenged you on it, just like you have been caught out spouting rubbish you couldn't back up on other occasions.

So the ACU have delegated conduct of the sport to the SCB, and the SCB have in turn delegated the day-to-day running of the sport to the BSPA. and you reckon that yet another level of bureaucracy is the answer ?

But if he had a 7.5 average he wouldn't be a second string, he would be a heatleader, even at Poole.

It really doesn't matter whether Lakeside were the only team that wanted him or not. I daresay Coventry were the only team that wanted Kasprzak, but that doesn't mean he wont necessarily do a decent job. Bjarne would not have been my first choice but as I always say, the proof of the pudding is in the eating.. He has a pretty unenviable recent record although that was with one club that didn't pay there riders and one club whose promoter and team manager are not, to put it politely the most people orientated promotion in the sport. Bjarne's personal problems last year have been documented in Speedway Star.. The jury is out on Bjarne but then again it is out on a whole host of other riders .. Admittedly he may prove to be well past his sell by date and a disastrous signing, but can anybody say with any certainty that Lindgren , Kasprzak, Bjerre, Schlein, Watt, Nicholls, Andersen, or half a dozen other key riders are going to recover their former sparkle ? Although it is a weakened league it is in many ways a competitive and unpredictable one. The One thing that can be said for Bjarne is that his record at Poole and Eastbourne shows he is a very well prepared professional on top rate equipment, and he has very wide experience. His career only really fell apart when he went to two clubs that have had trouble keeping their riders happy, I would say that IF he can start gating pretty much as well as he has done then there are few riders in this weakened league with the experience to pass him. We'll have to see, but Bjarne it is and that's who the Lakeside fans now have to get behind for better or worse.. .

By that time we' ll be into fan sharing because there won't be enough to go round.

Oh my goodness ! Speedwáy Star in duff information shock. How unusual.

If he goes there it means they would have to release Bjerre as they only have room for one more heatleader from the list. I think Bjerre is actually just what Wolves need the revive thier fortunes !.

So the Stars have changed their race night apparently to accommodate a new rider. It seems very unlikely that they changed it for Batch, Rory , or Lambert. So who have they changed it for ? Can't imagine them changing it for Bjerre or Pedersen (well not Bjarne Pedersen anyway, Nicki perhaps ). They have two heat leaders from the list already, so there is at best, a heat leader and a second string to come. MJJ? Who knows ?

Jon Cook to announce a signing on BBC Essex tomorrow. I hope it's one of the Pawlickis but somehow I doubt it. If it's Bjarne Pedersen I struggle to see what he can bring to the side that Mikkel Bech didn't . No announcement about Richard Lawson yet. If he doesn't come back it will be a massive hole to fill at second string.

I am embarrassed to say I did, living as I do in the steam age and not being up to speed with all this technology nonsense. I think I was fooled by the bit that says something about being the worlds most famous fan of the worlds most famous Speedwáy team which really sounds like the sort if wind up he used to post on here !

Ok, I get it now. I was confused by the fact. that Bjarne Pedersen was on the list, thinking he was a new rider but of course he isn't in the way that KK is. Since virtually everyone else on the list is more or less accounted for it is looking very much like BP is on the way to Lakeside, I am sorry to say.

If that's the case Steve then of course I totally appologise and stand corrected but you can see how the misunderstanding occurred. I don't use Twitter either but I think I came across it through a link at some stage.

Its not twisting and turning to use a description that someone actually uses to promote himself on twitter. That is simply stating fact. Shot yourself in the foot again there I am afraid. Bit of a whoosh in other words.