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Well, I guess that takes us back to John Leslie's post #2 on the thread. Maybe you are in the wrong forum as well as the wrong sport.

I didn't say the number of likes are a reflection of its validity, but clearly if someone "likes " a post they agree with its contents. It simply highlights the fact that there is a body of opinion contrary to your own. Of course you are entitled to your opinion but if you put it up for discussion on a discussion forum people are entitled to examine the validity of it. Your opinion, you say is based on three meetings, one of which was a televise meeting. I would suggest that three meetings is a very small sample to dismiss a whole sport. As Halifaxtiger says, out of three meetings at Lakeside this season one has been a cracking meeting, one very good and one OK. Maybe it's just a case that you were watching the wrong meetings? I daresay you could attend almost any sport and if you were unlucky you might get three bad ones on the trot, but that doesn't make the whole sport boring. Also, as someone else said sometimes sport, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder. At one time moto-cross was by far my favourite sport, couldn't get enough of it , but now I really can't see what the attraction is. My life has moved on and my outlook has changed . The sport I once loved has become boring. Do you see the point ? It's the same with lots of posts on the forum. Loads of people come on moaning that Speedwáy is not the sport it was 30 years ago, sometimes it's them that are stuck in 30 years ago. Nothing wrong with that but people need to recognise it. Anyway, like it or not, Speedwáy is not going to radically change anytime soon. For you, me and everybody else it's a question of either enjoy it or move on. Complaining won't change Speedwáy or most other things in life. Boredom is an emotion I don't experience and don't understand so Inreally can't add anything else to the discussion.

There is no dispute that the sport is struggling. That is not the same as saying it is boring as per the title of your thread. I refer you to post # 2 on this thread by John Leslie, and the supporting "likes" it received. Plenty of people on here and elsewhere dispute the claim that it is boring. Few, if any dispute the fact that it is struggling. The reasons why it is struggling have been done to death on other threads.

Sorry I thought you said you liked a bit of banter. Pretend I never said it if it upsets you. Never had anyone on ignore and don't intend to start now. All part of life's rich pageant. In my humble opinion undoubtedly so, but you would never believe it reading some of the posts on here.

Lakeside v Swindon Friday 22nd April according to the fixture list, unless I 'm going blind as well as daft.

Strangely enough, now that you have actually deigned to turn your attention to the thread topic I find myself very much in agreement with most, (nearly all ) of what you say. In fact you have made a point that I have made in the past, and which the glass half empty brigade usually refuse to acknowledge, and that is that maybe you have changed as well as the sport. Me too. I found it boring it what some describe as the Golden Years but returned to it and enjoy it as much as ever. It's all a matter of priorities and perception. So there we are, both united against the doom and gloom merchants. Oh , I can assure you I do. The secret of life is to enjoy the passing of time. If I didn't enjoy it I wouldn't go and I certainly wouldn't waste my time on here moaning about it. And speaking of moaners:- Nice of you to pop in to the thread between bans Sid. You must be due another one soon I would think? Still have nothing constructive to comment on in relation to the topic under discussion though? Some things never change.

No real surprises there. Well done to Wolves and Sam Masters in particular. Seems like Kylmo has a new lease of life. Wolves once again showing strength in depth. Doing my best to find some positives for Lakeside I suppose we have to say that at least Rob Mear scored a few so hopefully his confidence won't be totally destroyed and he will have something to build on, Swiderski surprisingly top scored and Bridger at least has enough speed in the Jawa to win a race. Shame he couldn't repeat it but at least the capability is there. A shocker for AJ who has been in good form until now. Four days to draw a line under this one and focus on Swindon Friday. P.S. Can any Wolves fans tell us briefly what was said by Peter Karlsson when interviewed.

Indeed, and the general idea is that the particular issue the discussion takes place on is the subject matter of the thread, which we seem to have wandered off of in the last few pages. Gets a bit tedious for the rest us when that happens , so perhaps you can bear that in mind in future. Many thanks. P.S. No need to respond, we just need to get back on topic and leave the bickering behind. Thank you.

If you bother to read Stoke Potters post properly you will see he didn't offer it as an opinion. He said it was a REALITY that most races were boring. He also said most people are in denial. I don't know how many people's opinions he asked in order to come to that conclusion but I would suggest it was probably not many, and possibly not any. Maybe he thinks people are in denial because they just happen to not agree with him.

It seems Wolves is a track riders have to learn to get their heads round to consistently do well but I can't think of any Hammers apart from AJ who you coukd say is going to be a serious threat at MG before the tapes go up. Some have good nights sometimes if the track is to their liking but you can't guarantee it. Bridger is still getting the tTeam Revolution Jawas sorted out so is a bit of an unknown quantity. History says that the Hammers will probably lose by more than 10 , but if they keep it closer than that I will be well pleased. Chances of getting a point are remote though IMO. Wolves strength this year is that they seem to have a strength in depth side where everyone can chip in with a reasonable score.

If it was in the context of 2016 only then perhaps we can assume he had turned over a new leaf which indeed will be welcome news. We'll see how long his Damascene conversion lasts! Let's just put the team building issue into context. Poole don't appear to have done anything wrong on that front. They do of course have Rick Frost on board which helps enormously, I would love to have had Hans at Lakeside as second heatleader just I would have loved to have had Freddie Lindgren or Max Fricke but we don't always get our wish list. Most fans understand that. The whole thing about people actually being jealous of Pooles team kicked off as part of Starmans usual idiocy because that's the way his childish mind works, and one or two have unfortunately taken the bait. Insofar as Poole have built an exceptionally strong side that really is a condemnation of the state of the sport rather than Matt Ford, who has within the rules done a good job (with a little help from his friends).

We are only 3 weeks into the season ! I think it is not disputed ( except by Red Panda and Starman ) that he has a dodgy history as long as your arm. His quote was "We all abide by the same rules" . If you are saying that should be interpreted as "So far this year we have all abided by the same rules" , then that would be true, but in plain English the words used imply that he is convincing the Bournemouth faithful that he always abides by the rules, but we know different don't we ? Personally I don't take his comments too seriously because he obviously has to give Phil Space something to write about on a slack news day , but it does indicate his general contempt for other promoters when he is just as culpable for the present state of the sport as the rest of them . Still it sells newspapers and that's the name of the game.

Fair comment. I was only going by the updates, but it seems odd the team did OK against Coventry and so poor against Wolves. If the track was OK Tungate and Sedgemen obviously need to up their game if they are to survive. A pity because I really got to like Sedgie when he was at Lakeside and one of my outstanding memories of recent years is seeing him come from the back to beat Freddie Lindgren. He also beat Greg Hancock at Lakeside so he has the raw ability , although for some reason he doesn't seem to be able to develop it. Looking forward to seeing how he goes at Lakeside next week.

Just a thought, but according to the Speedwáy updates texter 5 of the first 8 heats were won from gate 4, and the Swindon riders were talking to Ronnie Russell. A bit later on the texter said Swindon riders were not happy with turns 3and 4. It makes me wonder if the track prep was done a certain way for press and practice and the first match then done differently for last nights match so whatever slender advantage the home team had on set ups etc was lost. It is a classic way of teams losing matches that they come across an unexpected home track condition that messes all their set ups up. It's interesting that in the second half of the meeting Swindon started to chip away at Wolves lead so possibly some at least we're getting their set ups sorted. If a rider is expecting to ride a certain line, and it's not there, that's one ride gone. Not saying I am right, just a possibility , but if that is what happened maybe the fans shouldn't be too hard on the riders and look at the management.

I agree with all of that, but getting back to the interview in the Bournemouth Echo which prompted the thread it is quite ironic that Ford is quoted as saying "We all abide by the same rules " ..........er .....no you don't Matt. If you did you would still do very well, maybe not win quite so often or so comfortably, but you would still do very well, you would be held in greater esteem by the majority of the fan base , and the sport would be slightly healthier.

That's Roscoe for you. If he wins he goes round crowing about it, if he loses there's always some excuse, never his fault.

One thing you have never backed up is your claim ( which you have made twice now) that other promoters sit on their backsides waiting for the world to come to them . Four times you have been asked to name them but each time you evade the question. It's not a difficult thing to answer . Either you can back up your claims or you can't. If you can, then let's have the names if you can't then all you need to say is sorry fellow Speedwáy fans I was having a rant with out my brain in gear, then we can all move on. Of course , if you avoid answering again you only make yourself look more and more stupid.

Well, lets have a look at that drivel you have just posted. In a similar post a few weeks ago you said that other promoters sit on their backsides waiting for the world to come to them. I asked you three times who these other promoters were but you failed to answer. You have now made the same claim again so I'll ask you again who are these other promoters who sit on their backsides waiting for the world to come to them ? Since you have complained about posters posting things which is in no way factual I presume you must have some factual basis for your claim, so who are they. ? Could it be David Gordon and David Hemsley who sat on their backsides until somebody built a couple of stadiums and gave it to them ? Would it be Jon Cook and Stuart Douglas who sat on their backsides until the local council and MP came to them and begged them to keep Lakeside open ? If not those then who are these who sit on there backsides doing nothing until the world comes to Them ? Please tell us. While we are at it who are these promoters you refer to who cannot keep their mouths shut and , in your words, spout off crap about Poole ? Do you have a link to anything they have said about Poole ? Who exactly said it , what was it and when ? Since you have told others to either put up or shut up then presumably you will be able to back up your own claims, otherwise you will be tarnished as the biggest idiot on the forum after Starman and someone who does exactly what they accuse others of doing, Anyway we will al wait to hear from you as to who these others are who sit around doing nothing until something drops into their lap . Names please. P.S. Since you have already mentioned others making comments that are in your opinion tantamount to libel I am sure your response will be defendable and factual.

Yes and I see that the website are now posting that the Kings Lynn meeting scheduled for May has been put back to September avoiding two meetings in one week there so at least we will have a season that doesn't end in August has it has been doing recently. All's well that ends well.

Well that looks like a very astute piece of fixture planning. Belle Vue on 4th May then Kings Lynn listed two days later , then Wolves on the 1st June and Belle Vue two days later. Two meetings two days apart sounds a great way to really get the crowds in ( I don't think so) and create a bit of atmosphere before the cameras . Of course as Belle Vue are due anyway on 3rd June I don't suppose it crossed anybody's mind to simply move that one back two days so we don't have two in the same week and have a more evenly spaced fixture list. Sky messing around with the fixtures like this is getting beyond the pale.

It might be correct, but it cannot be right (if you see what I mean)

The announcement last week was that it was being postponed because both clubs had riders missing. Last nights programme said that Ed Kennet was due to be riding but because of the Plymouth rescue package he is now needed by Rye House down there. It also said that two Wolves riders were due to be missing. It also said the match is going to be re-scheduled later in the year probably to be covered by " live TV" . Hmmm ...v Personally I don't really care as I would rather see the meeting when the weather is warmer.

How do you know that, in your words "few if any newcomers attracted by the big names " ? Did you go round asking who the newcomers were and what attracted them ? How many did you speak to ? What did they say ? Another big crowd for Lakeside -v- Poole tonight. I suppose that was nothing to do with big names either and they would all have turned up regardless even if it was Berwick or Scunthorpe ?

Amazing how people who weren't even there think they know what won the meeting. Huge home advantage? Dave Watt knows his way round the place after three seasons there but didn't capitalise on it. Hans and Adam Ellis made a mockery of idea of huge home advantage. In fact Hans gave a really top class professional display, as he always does at Lakeside. If Holder and Watt showed his application it might have been a different story. What won it was the Tatum effect. Lakeside have a history of fading in the latter stages of a match but what we are seeing this year is them keeping the pressure up all the way through. Pooles problem was that apart from Hans they were beaten in their minds once the Hammers got back into the match and their heads dropped. From a Lakeside perspective it was a really good Speedwáy meeting. It had everything including a big crowd. Read what the neutral texter (Halifaxtiger) says on Speedwáy updates. Early days yet and too soon to get carried away but the two Lewis' are gradually getting their Jawas sorted and things ( we hope) can only get better. Poole are still well and truly in the driving seat for the Championship but if the Hammers stay fit all those that predicted a bottom two finish for them may be in for a surprise.

So Poole have failed to reach 60 and Elite League expert Gavan is stunned. For my part I am relieved. It could have been a lot worse. To put it in perspective Lakeside did better than Swindon. That's nothing to crow about but they came away without the sort of mauling that saps a teams confidence. There will be probably be plenty of other teams going to WR this year and not doing any better. It seems from what Shovvy says that the Hammers at least got stuck in and put up a bit of a fight which is not always the case away to Poole Good to see Lewis Kerr getting into the action, and Swid getting a win to keep his confidence up. Work in progress for LBR and Rob Mear it seems. Most importantly they all came through unscathed. Watt happened to Dave Watt ? Did he think he was still riding for Lakeside or is Father Time catching him up ?