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Judging by the posts on here I woukd say the opposite is true. The more knowledgeable fans are, the more balanced they are in their posts and would probably be good to explain things to a newbie but some just seem to want to criticise without bothering to learn about the sport. We have some posters, notably Aces 51, Skidder 1, and several others who have been around the sport for many years , taken in a lot of knowledge, and generally post with good insight, which would be good conveyed to a newcomer. At the other end of the scale there are a number that have been around the sport for years and chosen to learn or understand next to nothing about engines, track prep, rules , how averages work etc, etc. These are the ones whose posts are invariably sniping, sneering , moaning, and generally experts in their own eyes. These are the ones who complain riders are not trying when there is often some mechanical issue, or think racing can be improved just by putting a bit of dirt on the track. Imagine a newcomer standing next to one of these know-nothing's and instead of getting a balanced description get a constant dirge of ,"Tracks rubbish, rule books rubbish, he's not trying,sports a joke,T/R ride igives an 8 point advantage, our tracks better than their track, " etc,etc, they'd never be back.

I suppose you have to say if the opposite of boring is exciting then we can't call riders exciting either, because if we start describing some as exciting what does that say about the rest ? Boring doesn't mean no good. Some great riders have won most of their race from the gate, they are no less great for that, but they don't get pulses racing as much as those like Mark Loram who do it from the back. The sport needs all sorts of riders, but some, by definition are more exciting than the rest.

Gordon Pairmans post didn't show he failed to understand the issue, he simply explained why the list was compiled the way if was. It's not a question of who Jon Cooks comments were aimed at. They were aimed at two members of of the BSPA who, we are told voted the list through unanimously then seem to have claimed they didn't fully know what it was about. Coupled with the fact that we are now told by Muddlo and Rosco that the EDR situation was not properly thought through this year it really makes one wonder exactly what is going on at the AGM's if they are voting things through without understanding them. Be that as it may, the fact remains that the vast majority of contributors to the forum are content to stick with the view that Cooks comments were aimed at them instead of two other promoters and thus miss the seriousness of the situation.

Lakeside will struggle on this one with R/R for Ed Kennett. His rides can only be taken by Lawson, Kerr,( who is basically a reserve anyway) and the two reserves. Normally Bridger would be needed to cover rides for Kerr and Mear but if he is R/R for Kennett and takes another Kennett ride as reserve replacement, he is going to run out of rides to cover Kerr and Mear. What with it being a brand new track for Lakeside, and a long tail, can only see a big win for the Aces

Jon Cook wasn't calling the fans thick or biased or both. If you read Gordon Pairmans post on the subject on this forum those comments appear to be aimed at two BSPA members. He wasn't defending a list that showed the BSPA had failed tomgraspmthe nature of the problem he was talking about a list in which it seems a couple of BSPA members appear not to have understood how the decision was arrived at. It's all explained in Gordon Pairmans post and subsequent reports in Speedwáy Star.

Plenty of people said they liked it. Plenty of others claim they don't like the track but it makes one wonder why they sit and watch it if they don't like it. They must have pretty dull lives away from the telly if they have nothing better to do, or else they must just look for something to moan about. You and try artist formally known as Screamer are on here every week bitching about how awful it is but you still keep watching it. Bizarre.

" I love this track, it's great" ----Lewis Bridger quoted today on the Lakeside website.

I think the racing has been generally pretty good this year but you can only beat what's in front of you. I often say Wolves are usually good visitors and so it proved last night. The thing about this Wolves team is that they can all gate and that gives the home side something to race against, compared with Coventry a few weeks ago who were mostly pretty slow off the gate so a lot of races were over by bend two, then you get the sour grapes brigade blaming the track. I know Peter Adams gets a bit of stick from some fans but I think it's very rare for Wolves to come to Lakeside at not put up a fight, whoever is in the side and I can only put that down to Peter Adams. Just a thought. It's just a bit of a disappointment that Lindgren is not as dominant as he used to be otherwise this one could have gone down to the wire.

The crowd was admittedly smaller than normal but it's nit surprising. All those sitting at home have no idea how cold it was . It was F-E-R-EEEEEEE-Z-I-N-G early on and a doubt whether any reduced admission woukd have made much difference. it's a pity because a warm evening with the kids on half term usually brings in a much bigger crowd than that. Having said that, if they were all crammed in to a small area as at Wolves it would seem pretty big. Despite the s mall crowd I thought it was a great atmosphere, especially up to about heat 10 or 11 when the result was a certainty. Haven't seen Kylmos interview but some of the fastest times of the season were being recorded early on so it couldn't have been that bad. Didn't seem to affect AJ , Ed or Lewis. Max Clegg - what an improvement since he last came. I was well impressed. What's happened to Freddie , going round at the back hugging the white line like that? Not the rider of a few years ago. Well done Wolves, I nearly always enjoy their visits. A cold night but very enjoy able from a Lakeside perspective. Glad I went.

No doubt you'll make good use of the "off" button then, and you won't have a dull evening watching the same dull teams on a dull track and we don't have to put up with your dull comments thereon. Win-win all round.

Put me on ignore if you wish . Your posts stand to be judged by all forum members whether they are mature or as Bryn said, bitter and twisted but it's worth reflecting on what dome fans have said already :- Other than that I have nothing more to add except you may wish to try the decaf.

Lewis Bridger is under a six point average in the EL and needs more rides. A move to Ipswich woukd suit him and the club, but at the moment it seems the BSPA are blocking any move to a PL club even though they agreed to Craig Cook doubling down even though he is average in the EL is two points higher than Bridgers. Total inconsistency by the BSPA. Kerr has scored consecutive paid maximums in his last two home meetings for Lakeside. He obviously has the ability but for some reason Ipswich are not bringing it out.

Agreed. It's far more offensive IMO when people come on here telling us riders are "not trying " can't be bothered " " not interested" etc, etc, when in fact they don't know why a rider is performing badly, whether it be a bike problem, recurrence of an old injury or some other reason.

With regard to Bjarne, the primary concern in team building for 2016 was to do away with the number of guests that had to be used in 2015, which resulted in massive complaints from the fans. That was why Lakeside had what is, in effect a squad system. Once Bjarne said in one breath that his commitment was to British Speedway then almost in the next breath th at his Polish commitments woukd come first, there was no way he coukd be signed without the promotion going back on their commitment to make every effort to avoid guests. With regard to Swiderski, I he is tremendously popular with the home fans and has done a great job as a second string at home but the reality is he is not the heatleader material he was before the serious leg injury he sustained a few years ago. Personally I hate to see him dropped but the promotion have an obligation to the fans to,put out the strongest side they can and is reasonable that Kennett should to be given a chance to prove himself. He is, these days, a better gater and a better overtaker than Swid, although Swiderski could still be back. But whether I agree with dropping Swiderski is not the point. Lakeside , like any other promotion have to take decisions that some fans don't agree with. You can't please all the people all the time. The difference is that most fans are able to articulate their displeasure without the degree of vituperence that you used earlier on this thread, and others, and indeed on the Lakeside forum before it was closed down. Jon Cook is not perfect, but he is not the devil personified. With regard to Kelvin, you have mentioned yourself the constency of Rich Lawson and the improvement of Kim Nilsson at home this year. Jon Cook mentioned on Friday that these are two of the riders Kelvin has been working with this year, so there is your answer. Look at Lewis Kerr , he is performing better for Lakeside than he is for Ipswich- that's Kelvin again. After all the personal abuse you heaped on Neil Vatcher I would have thought you would see Kelvin as a step forward.

If you don't like liars perhaps you can give us link to anything that will support your claim that Bjarne was ever signed, because as far as I am aware he never was actually signed. You chose to ignore the fact that Bjarne said in a Speedwáy Star interview that he was going to give 100% commitment to Britsh Speedwáy then when he got a job in Poland he suddenly decided that was his priority and was going to miss several crucial Lakeside fixtures. As to the dropping of Swiderski, if you had bothered to attend the fans forum, which you disparagingly refer to as "happy clappers", you would have heard Jon Cook say that once Edward Kennetts early season fixture clashes for Rye House were out of the way it would be decided on form. If you bothered to read Jon Cooks comments on the website before hurling abuse at him, you woukd know that Swiderski had a TV meeting in Poland on Friday so it was an ideal opportunity to give Kennett an outing. Again if you bothered to keep up with information released by the club you would know the present arrangement is only for four meetings and will then be reviewed . All the riders were aware of this when they signed for the club. As Liam said , Jon Cook is not everybody's cup of tea, and he seems to have made a misjudgment on the signing of Rob Mear as things stand at the moment, but you seem to be the only one who sees fit to abuse him because of it. Bottom line is that like him or loathe him, Cook has managed to keep the club running with the books more or less balancing at without the huge losses that have driven other clubs out of the Elite League. In fact it's largely due to him that there is still a club at all. Constructive criticism is justified , abuse isn't, and certainly calling fellow fans "happy clappers " who believe anything Cook tells them simply because they attend a fans forum which you didn't, is the height childish behaviour, and referring to Kelvin as "Tantrum" is sheer ignorance.

Certainly everyone is entitled to an opinion, but it's a pity you seem unable to express yours in a civil and balanced manner.

No. But read stevebrums post #52 and see if the cap fits

He is not boring at all. Completely bonkers perhaps, neurotic at times, a total geek when it comes to figures,goes off at all kinds of tangents, has a bizarre point of view on nearly everything, but boring -NO. Like most nutters his posts are eminently readable. Give me SCB any day against the persistent whingers like Moxey63, Robert 72 , etc, the dullards like Starman, or any of the armchair track curators. Nutters are part of life's rich pageant. Moaners are boring. I'd still prefer Eric Chitty though.

Hollow victory for Lakeside. They were lucky Paul Starke pulled out and would probably not have won with him there. Something wrong if they can't turn a weakened team like that over. Poor performance from Bridger, not much better from Kennett considering they were both riding as second strings. Good effort from the Lions pulling all the stops out , with a weakened team. Good performance by Klindt but it does once again highlight the ridiculous situation that is going on with reserve berths at the moment.

This a great thread. Where did you buy your first real six-string Sid ? I bought mine at the five-and-dime . Played it till my fingers bled. It was the summer of 69. Shame the scale only goes up to 10. If it went up to 35 I'd nominate Eric Chitty.

An excellent post that says all that really needs to be said on the subject. All we have from Chapman so far is playing to the gallery, talking about tearing the rule book up and starting again. Around 80/85% of the Speedway Regulations are governed by FIM rules, Health and Safety, Insurance, and a whole range of other matters that would still have to come out the same if you tore them up and re-wrote them. There are a few sections of the team building regulations and racing rules that are controversial (usually because it suits people to claim they don't understand them in order to cheat) and those are the ones that need looking at. I am afraid the jury is still out on Mr Chapman and until he comes out and says "This is what I think is wrong, this is how it needs to be put right " . theres not really much to judge him on. Talking about ripping the entire thing up when most of it is ok is just pandering to the great unwashed . What really matters is what he wants it to look like when its done. So me it was a bit of a non-article.

Lakeside went down by about 70-20 or something at Poole a few years ago. Happens to most clubs sooner or later, but things come in cycles. Feel sorry for you guys but Lakeside also had a pretty grim year last year, losing half the home matches. It just the way things go sometimes.

Good to see Dave Watt getting god reception from the Lakeside fans on riders parade. Proves he still has a lot of support at Lakeside despite a small number of BSF critics. He rode pretty well as well, not quite his usual self but getting back on track. Still looks very stylish round Lakeside. Good for him. Lewi Kerr collected his second successive paid maximum . He has now improved to the point of looking a totally different rider to the one that joined the club last March. AJ was something else tonight. Absolutely phenomenal .

I bet the Belle Vue team will need a cold shower to calm them down after all that excitement.

I guess we are pretty much on all fours there. I agree heck of a lot of passing is pushing it and it was the least interesting meeting at Lakeside this year. Coventry are a puzzle. They are not a particularly bad team on paper, they just seem to underperform inexplicably on track .