PE7Panther

Oh ffs! Nobody said anything about not wanting "outside posts" We're all speedway fans and yes, of course, it makes threads all the more interesting when comments are made by all and sundry. It is, after all, an open forum. It's not WHO is making the post; it's WHAT they post. You need to take a step back and have a little think about what you've actually been contributing to this thread. You clearly think you're being very smart and witty, and no doubt you're convinced yourself that you're Mr Innocent. But many (most?) think you're just being a smartarse clever-dick who takes great delight in winding people up just for the sake of it. And now you're trying to make a clumsy link with racist white supremacy/Nazism; do you not realise how offensive that is and how utterly stupid it makes you look?

This thread is supposed to be about Peterborough Panthers 2015 - but it's deteriorated to the playground level (you apologise, no you apologise first....) topped off by pathetic posturing (try that oop nerrth 'n see wot yer get, blah blah blah) Internet warriors...

Yep. And there was us thinking that the one benefit of dropping down to the PL would be that we'd no longer have to contend with idiots and aggravating feckers like Steve Sh!t-Shoveller et al. Oh how wrong we were. Jeezus H..... it's even worse on here!

you're right, they're all our riders - but it doesn't stop the imbecile from harping on about Panthers "borrowing" riders. He's oh-so-pleased with himself with what he thinks is a witty little play on words (Peter-borough/borrow). He gets a little giddy with it, then he goes too far and make himself look embarrassingly foolish. 99.9% of speedway fans sympathise with the injury problems Panthers have had, and which has meant us having guests and R/R every flippin' meeting this season. Nobody wanted that to happen, or the temporary signings that we've had to make. We'd all be happier with the original line-up ffs! Making snidey little pops at Panthers, or at any club in the same plight, is bang out of order.

It doesn't stop you spouting bollocks though,does it? By the way, you'd spend your time better by learning how to spell For all I know you could be a nice enough bloke in "real" life, but on here you come across as a silly, smart-arse schoolboy with your snidey. ill-informed little pops at other teams. The way things are in speedway these days we - fans, teams, everybody - are all in it together. I want my team, Panthers, to do well, but my heart goes out to Oxford, Reading et al. And, more recently, to Brum and Eastbourne. And, of course, to Scunny and Berwick. That's the polite version. The other one, which maybe you will comprehend better, is STFU!

Erm.... Peterborough, of course. Who in their right mind would actually choose to live in Middlesbrough? It's SmogMonster-land! We're just 45 mins from Kings Cross and that alone makes Peterborough the better place to live. We can earn double the salaries smoggies get up there, plus we get much more bang for our bucks property-wise. Case closed.

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I agree with DazPanther and Panthers89; I'd much prefer to have a regular rider, even if it's only as a short-term replacement. And Berge certainly looked very impressive at the EoES a couple of weeks back. How does he go at other tracks?

Sound as a pound then! Hark! Is that the sound of sobbing and gnashing of teeth coming from the APP brigade? (* Anti Peterborough Panthers)

is it doable? I'd deffo be happy with that. Mind you, by the time of the play-offs we'll end up with only 2, maybe 3, of the original team: Ulrich & Simon Lambert plus (maybe) Robert Lambert. Based on what we've experienced so far this season it's only 50/50 on RL actually appearing in all, or even any, of the play-off meetings.

yes, incidents after the race has ended - but on the 2nd bend? That's what I was getting at. By all accounts Tungate wasn't exactly slowing down when the collision with Auty's bike happened. I agree that it's difficult to say if we weren't there - but the whole thing stinks, that's for sure.

Yeah, that's what I meant; it can't be both. So it deffo happened on the 2nd bend; Tungate is speaking with a forked tongue then.

Yeah, I just read the Ippo report.What I'd like clarified is where exactly the 'collision' happened. Tungate is craftily talking about it happening "coming into turns 1 & 2" but which is it? It sounds like it was somewhere around the 2nd bend. If that's the case I don't see how it could be accidental or unavoidable. On the 1st bend maybe, but not on the 2nd. You've seen more speedway meetings than most BCD; would you agree?

Talk about stating the bleedin' obvious! Of course once something is out there it's out there for good - but that's not a reason for not doing it now. Ok so your opinion, which you're entitled to air on here, is that he should keep it off the web for now at least, but please explain WHY you think that. I don't see any reason why he shouldn't. Btw if you're hinting at some sort of legal ramifications you'd be wrong and putting the wind up him unnecessarily. There's no privacy or copyright issues - otherwise we wouldn't be seeing any speedway clips on the net. And no individual involved can have any grounds for litigation - for, say, defamation - because whatever in shown in the video is, by definition, a record of what happened and maybe of what was said. So go ahead TheOutsider; stick it on t'internet and let's all see what happened. You have nothing to fear except moans from anybody it embarrasses.

my thoughts exactly Very true,but it's another 3 points I was impressed by Grondal. If he carries on like that, AND if Panthers do something to help Konopka with his bikes/engines, we're in with a good chance..... Ulrich looked more like his old self tonight. Porsing turned out to be a very good guest. Simon Lambert was my MoTM.

doesn't make it right though, does it?

Can somebody please explain how on earth Panthers are getting stick because three of their riders will be missing for this meeting? The starting point has to be: (1) who wanted this fixture on this date, (2) who actually arranged it, (3) who has the final say, and (4) who - if anybody - could veto it once the missing riders problem was realised (whenever that was). I'm prepared to stand corrected but I doubt if the name "Peterborough Panthers" is the correct reply to any of those 4 questions. Mind you, it won't stop the ABP (AnybodyButPanthers) brigade sniping away every half chance they get.

We haven't? So who's missing, and how come? EDIT: S'ok, I've just been looking at the report of today's meeting on the Panthers site. They slipped in this little bombshell towards the end: Panthers return to action in a televised trip to Berwick on Wednesday when they will be without their three Danish riders – Ostergaard, Palm Toft and Grondal – due to fixture clashes in their homeland. So, how's this going to map out? Should be fairly straightforward to find a decent guest for Ostergaard at No.1. One of the usual suspects: Brady Kurtz, Richard Lawson, Lasse Bjerre...? Are we allowed guests for either/both the other two, or will we be stuck with R/R ? Adam Roynon would be high on my list after today's performance

only dwelling on spelling mistakes??? Can't you read, or just selectively ignore stuff you don't like? re. "Do you mean that only the defendant has bottomless pockets to defend the case?" What? That's not what I said at all. Jeezus H....!

exsperiance..???oh dear... consciences? Surely you meant consequences And if you DID mean 'consequences' please STFU about this nonsense. I already pointed out - if you bothered to read my reply to one of your earlier posts -, that nobody involved with the BSPA or MC would risk any sort of litigation of the kind you're alluding to. Apart from anything else, I don't think you realise how fkin expensive it is to pursue a case for libel. That's if (IF) a lawyer could be found to take on the case. In any case m'learned friends would want several thousand squids upfront (non-refundable, natch!) before they even picked up a pen! And the likely outcome would, at the very best, be a Pyrrhic victory. With a hefty legal bill

fair do's, the better team won

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There's several points I would like to make in response to the above post: 1. When you say "all" PL promoters, you do realise that that doesn't include Panthers, don't you? At the annual meeting last November the Panthers reps left after the conclusion of the previous season's business and before this season's business. At that stage it was far from certain that Panthers would be riding this season, and so it was only right and proper that they left the meeting. The SCB statement (qv) confirms this: http://www.peterboroughpanthers.co/news.php?extend.2333.2 Any fair-minded person would agree that this puts it all in a different light. The Management Committee is a fairly motley bunch which obviously can't and doesn't convene on a daily basis. When this Thorssell idea cropped up it's not unreasonable that Ged Rathbone would speak to one of the MC members. In fact Ged himself says that it was this MC member who mooted the idea in the first place! Maybe, maybe not. Either way, it's clear that Ged was given the thumbs-up. Or at least he wasn't given the thumbs-down. There's only 5 people on the MC, plus a reserve: Management Committee: Chairman: Alex Harkess Vice-Chairman: Chris van Straaten Management Committee Members: George English, Rob Godfrey & Keith Chapman Reserve Management Committee Member: David Hemsley So it must be one of them - and it doesn't take a genius to work it out! Anyway, we can assume that they were all at the annual meeting last Nov. So whichever MC member it was, HE would have known about the rule and its correct implementation. Or he should have done. (Otherwise he shouldn't be on the MC in the first place!) I'm not disputing that the rule is there, or that it has been applied correctly. And neither, to their credit, are Panthers. But one thing is for sure: Panthers are entitled to feel hard done by. It's even more galling that the whole affair is governed - and I use the term loosely! - by a rule book that is, at best, a badly worded pig's ear. At worst, the rules are an open-invitation to abuse by those with a vested interest in certain clubs. I'm sure every forumite can list dozens of examples! Not only that, every effin' page of the rule book can be ignored in certain circumstances... i.e. if it's deemed by the MC to be in "in the best interests of speedway". Well, if Thorssell riding for Panthers isn't "in the best interests of speedway", I don't know what is! 2. When Ged was talking about a "vote" maybe - just maybe - he was slightly misquoted, or was simply referring to the fact that the MC got their heads together and decided to block the Thorssell move. I doubt if it necessitated a formal meeting of the five MC cronies. We already know that at least ONE of them thought Panthers were on safe ground. But a few phone calls later, or maybe a conference call, the other four effectively vetoed it. Maybe it was 3-2, who knows? It might even have been the the Chairman (Harkness) who gave it the chop, but he would be bound to communicate with the other members, one way or another, because they'd need to consider if it fell under the "best interests of speedway" caveat. Anyway, Panthers would be given the bombshell news, probably (as punishment!) by the very MC member who'd led him up the garden path. No doubt Ged would be effing & blinding at him in private. And the MC bloke would be back-pedalling with something like "Sorry mate, I make you right but it was four against one, I tried my best...". And then we'd see Ged quoted in the press as saying something about it being a vote. And in a roundabout way it probably was. 3. About your quasi-legal comment about being careful with the use of the word "corruption" because it's a serious allegation, blah blah blah: You seem to be hinting that you are somehow involved. I don't know and frankly I don't give a toss. But I would suggest that the LAST thing the MC or the BSPA would want is ANY sort of litigation that risks the spotlight falling on what really goes on behind the scenes So maybe it's YOU that needs to be careful with what you say 4. I can just about forgive the awful spelling mistakes (sence, elete) but ffs BREATHE! Didn't you learn about punctuation when you were at school?

Top post, Lukas.

"...the rules that the have had to imply" ? Oh dear... kinda implies that you don't know how to apply the correct word If you can't get something as simple as that right it devalues the credibility of whatever you add to this discussion. Although saying that, if only you had actually meant that the BSPA only ever "imply" rules & regs it would've been a cracking post. Sadly I doubt very much that it was what you meant! n.b. to imply: to communicate an idea or feeling without saying it directly Yep, that's the BSPA all right!