Steve Irving

Hang on, it's been pointed out to you numerous times over the last few days that Chris Louis has stated British newcomers that haven't achieved a true average, will come in on a 2 and you've constantly stated that he's wrong (LOL). Why believe him now? Anyway, this is the reply he's just given to Baldyman's question (he's probably getting sick of reiterating it!).. @dazpen70 2 pointers as they didn't obtain a PL average in 2016. All assessed British riders will be 2. Others will be 2. Something.

5.97 if you go with two 2 pointers.

Ipswich have a couple of assets in Heeps and Manzarez on averages just over 5 that could fit in nicely. Sergeant another option. I'd personally give Sargeant another place he's a good little rider with more increase in him.

Jenga, what evidence do you have that the above is correct?

Ive been disappointed with Bjerre I have to be honest. I watched him as a teen at Kings Lynn when he first burst on to the scene and I genuinely thought he was more talented than his elder Brother and would go right to the very top. He may still get there of course he's only 23, but I honestly expected him to be a big player in the top flight by now, not a 7 pointer in the second tier. Still time on his side so let's hope he cracks on now and fulfils that immense early potential that he showed.

Inconsistent gater to put it mildly, but entertaining racer if he has the track to race on. I haven't been to Sheffield for a few years but reading the comments on here from those that have, the track hasn't been good for racing in recent times. That will need to change if you're going to get the best out of Bjerre. Talented rider in there, but although he's only 23 he's been around a good few years now and hasn't really kicked on as expected. In fact, he's gone backwards this year. Can put at least a point on that average though so a good signing.

Chris Louis? A current promoter who unlike the majority on here, actually spent 3 days at the AGM. Could he have got it wrong? There is always a possibility of course, there are promoters who have got rider averages wrong in the past but Louis is a smart guy and knows his onions so you'd really have to think that he's correct no? He's not once, but twice now publically stated that all British newcomers that haven't attained an actual average will start on a 2. What I find amazing is that some on here who are blatantly less knowledgeable on the subject are point blank stating that Louis is wrong and all newcomers are a 3!! As I said, there is always the distinct possibility that Louis has made a massive faux pas here and those stating that newcomers will start on 3 will ultimately prove to be correct. But at this moment in time, we surely have to side with the promoter who was actually at the meetings last week? The SGB twitter feed also backtracked on a previous tweet yesterday and also confirmed Louis' belief, and the Sheffield Star (not a great source admittedly) have also stated today that Sheffield are hoping to include JPB, who will come in on a 2 point average.

JPB will be a TWO! Why isn't anyone listening?

From the Sheffield Star.. "Sheffield have already confirmed they are hoping to include teenage sensation Jack Parkinson-Blackburn on a two-point average at reserve". Read more at: http://www.thestar.co.uk/sport/speedway/sheffield-tigers/sheffield-tigers-sign-danish-star-1-8222794 Giving up yet?

It's now perfectly clear, but for some reason some are having a difficult time accepting/believing it.

Seems clear to me! Let's use Danyon Hume as an example. He hasn't achieved an official average of 3 or above, so he starts the season on a 2.00. The word "minimum" hasn't been used. No red face for me, it will be a red face for whoever tweets on behalf of SGB if it doesn't turn out to be correct.

4 to go I'd say as it sounded like a near certainty King will be back

UPDATE 2 | British riders who have never achieved a three-point average can start next season on a two in both leagues... So there it is, no red face for Chris Louis after all! Didn't think he'd have not known the rules somehow.

My money is on you...

"Any new assessed riders including Danyon, will be a 2 point rider and not a 3" Louis' exact words. We'll soon find out I guess.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p04bkg82 If you fast forward to around the 2:40 mark, Chris Louis seems certain that Danyon Hume will be a 2 point, rather than a 3 point rider as he didn't do enough meetings to attain an average. Seems that all NL newbies will be a 2. Could be rather embarrassing for Louis if he's wrong of course! But you'd have to think he knows the score as he's an intelligent guy and just spent three days at the AGM.

Agreed, it'll be wider, rounder, perfect camber and smoother in 2017. Lots of work planned for the winter. ..👍 That was Chris Louis' tweet to Sam Masters. He also said that both track surface AND shape would be changing this winter in reply to a supporter.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p04bkg82 2:35.50 to be precise if anyone fancies a listen

So King can ride for Ipswich after all so that's 1 and 7 sorted (King and Hume), just fill in 2-6.

Think there's far too much smoke for there to be no fire TBH. We'll find out later today one way or the other.

That confused me also. This AGM is for the EL and PL, the NL have their own AGM at a later date. So if Lakeside can't declare to run EL by the start of this AGM, then surely they can't declare to run PL yet either?

Spot on with all those. Would add Snooker and "whispering" Ted Lowe too.

Ipswich? I've heard that one myself the last few days..

"Agreed, it'll be wider, rounder, perfect camber and smoother in 2017. Lots of work planned for the winter. .." That was the tweet by Chris Louis in reply to Sam Masters who wasn't exactly waxing lyrical about the track when Edinburgh visited. As Foxhall will be my "home" track next season, I'm looking forward to see how the changes affect the racing. Hopefully in a positive way.

Well done to Danny King, beating Craig Cook's track record in what would probably be the last official meeting on the current track given the proposed alterations over the winter?