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See above post.

He had been riding amateur meetings in Germany. He was well advanced when he arrived on the scene. Dan jumped on a speedway bike for the first time as a 16 year old and straight into the national league. It’s not about the literal age gap.

Neither have I. In fact I have yet to see anyone suggest they are. Robert has years on Dan. In the future however, there is every chance he may and that is great news for British speedway.

Lambert is heading to the top end of this sport. Quality, quality rider

I can see both sides of the argument. Guess it depends which side you want to sit on. For me, if something looks suspicious, then it probably is. To me, he looks significantly quicker. Too quick to be quite honest. Now that is certainly not jealousy from my end, I’m just a man say watching him on the TV, thinking ‘he’s unnaturally quick’

He generates power from nowhere. That is what has always raised my eye brow. There is a circle at the top end of the sport, and quite a large one, who have long believed he is cheating. Now obviously that doesn’t prove anything but it’s enough to create some suspicion.

Well if you believe the inner speedway circle, the man is a cheat.

Just caught up through YouTube. Decent meeting. Nice track Grudiadz. Heat 15 was a tough one. Hope Lebedev is ok. Lambert was running for the kerb going into turn 1, maybe he came in a little to soon but Lebedev had no awareness and Robert spent the race 2nd guessing him. Lebedev had been at that all night. Good speed for Robert though. Those FGM pulling well and he looks quick. He’s a quality rider is Robert, probably took on a bit too much last season, hopefully he’s back to his 2018 form. I do think he’s in the top 16 riders in the world, and is consistent on the continent. Has a nice style and he actually reminds me of Tai a little. Very competitive. Good to see from a Brit, been a while since we’ve had this type of quality aside from Wofinden. High hopes for him.

Yes. I’d seen that one. It was more to do with the post I’d quoted, where it seemed like you were going back on it somewhat, that’s why I asked.

Sorry to revert my word but I just feel the need to pick this one up. You say you can acknowledge good speedway. Based on the following I’m going to argue that you can’t: You mention Sunday and Tuesday so I’m going to assume you are making reference to Sweden and Poland, am I right? BV. The only one in the UK you appear to be willing to accredit? You see in my opinion, sir, that is the very definition of being unable to acknowledge because it seems to me you are deliberately ignoring the tracks I have previously raised to you, so I’m going to politely ask the following. Do you agree that: Swindon/Scunthorpe/Glasgow/Somerset and Peterborough produce quality racing, and if not, why not? I don’t wish to be obtuse, I’m just really keen to understand why you would think those tracks don’t produce the excellent racing they clearly do, and if you do why you haven’t included them in your argument about ability to acknowledge. Thanks.

You’ve done a good job Dave in difficult circumstances. You’ve been up against some serious delays with no co commentator whilst sat in your front room no doubt. I certainly don’t envy that! Keep up the good work.

Don’t they just! Love the pair of em.

Imagine if that was KT and Pearson, some would be having kittens on here.

Why are you comparing our national league juniors with the quality of racing we are debating? If you want to use an example then it really needs to be a fair comparison. If we wish to head along this road, then I wasn’t overly impressed with the 16 year old pole yesterday who was chucked and frankly a danger to himself and those who shared the track with him. That was hardly a pole giving full chat on a big open track, was it? If we are going to debate, then at least level the playing field as best we can.

Then, respectfully, we will never agree on this matter so I’ll leave it alone after this one. Quite honestly you sound like a bit of a stature snob which is a real shame because it’s impacting your ability to acknowledge good speedway racing because it wasn’t delivered by a world superstar. You are also introducing other aspects again which is not my argument. It has only ever been about the quality of racing and the human beings under the helmet. Cheers.

I don’t think Dan was dismal on Friday. We really have to look at the context. This was his first Polish top level meeting. He was quick enough. The kid has no balls and that needs to change but I thought he was okay. With the above adjustment in a new set of balls he will do ok. Some people expert an inexperienced kid to just rock up and bag a load of points. Not gonna happen. Robert is miles ahead in Poland, no doubt.

What does it matter who the people are in providing such quality entertainment? Im not really arsed if the race is between two top polish riders or two top British riders. If the end result is excellent racing, why does that even enter your debate? It makes no sense to me. Im well aware of what the product offers in England and I have acknowledged this. What I’m asking you to do is remove the fluff and just focus on the quality of racing. That is my argument here and you don’t seem to be doing that. I have listed a number of UK tracks that produce good quality speedway so I can’t buy into the thought train that ‘we’d never see it here’, because we do. Clearly. I’m not interested in the who, I’m interested in the what. The quality of the actual speedway racing really isn’t much different as I see it. Yes, there are rap tracks in the UK, not going to argue that. My point is there are also good ones.

Couldn’t tell you Mark. It may well have had something to do with it. Its not normally as bad as that in Poland and I suspect no crowds was probably the bigger influencer. It was quite dusty in Gorzow being fairly warm so can understand the need to grade. That said I’ve been to roasting hot bank holiday fixtures at the NSS, mid day, where the track was just brilliant with no dust, great racing and all wrapped up in around an hour to get back down to Wolves.

I think you have somewhat misunderstood what I have said. The general package in Poland is so much better, I absolutely don’t dispute that. As a tv experience with full crowds or being in Poland watching, which I have, it is an entirely different experience. A better one. However that shouldn’t discredit what we have here. If you remove everything by the side and just concentrate on the actual speedway, there are tracks and certain meetings in the UK which offer entertainment to the equal. Belle Vue is an excellent track, one of the best in the world, but so is Peterborough. So is Somerset. So is Scunthorpe. So is Glasgow. Kings Lynn has great potential but is unfortunately prepared for his main money stream, stock cars. Poole is also a great shape and I have seen some brilliant speedway there, it’s just badly prepped. Your above post is a good summary of exactly what is wrong with the British fan. This need to divide and conquer is a really sad state of affairs. It removes ones ability to enjoy something which can be good because everyone else says you can’t. Can you assume I didn’t enjoy heat 7? Absolutely not, because it was one hell of a race and I said as much in this very thread. Stop being so down on the positive elements of British Speedway. A large chunk is indeed a mess, but parts are still excellent and I feel for those who cannot see the wood for the trees. Edit: Throw in Swindon as well, which is a cracking little track now. Really nice shape to it, rides like a bigger track and is well prepared. I’d have no issue riding that every week.

I’m hoping that was just a bit of rustiness. I watched pretty much all of last seasons Extraleague and I can’t recall a set of meetings with so many pull backs. Perhaps something has changed in the off season and referees are being asked to officiate with more severity.

I watched the Polish stream and whilst I didn’t understand a word of it, the gaps in racing still felt considerably longer. Britain has it right with the re run rule and riders not being allowed back into the pits. Yesterday that had a huge impact on the flow of the meeting in Rybnik. The 2nd meeting was better, but there was still far too many grading breaks and they went on too long. Im only pointing out what I see, because if this was here, we’d be getting slandered from our own and the hypocrisy needs highlighting. In fact we get some people suggesting heads need shaking for daring to point out what was blindingly obvious. This is no comparison, however, because Poland are miles ahead in so many other aspects, but that doesn’t mean we can’t point out the failings when they happen because Christ knows we’d do it here.

The quality of racing and general meeting progression, well as a man who attends BV each week.....it was worse. And I also believe, so far this weekend, that I have seen better meetings run in more timely fashion across the UK. Equally imo, anyone who fails to see that should also ‘give their head a considerable shake’.

Robert has 2 full seasons on Bewley in Poland, one being at the top level. At the moment there is no comparison. Dont understand why people must do divide and conquer with British riders (and I’m not saying you do). I can’t remember the last time we had 3 British riders in the top flight of Poland.

Deary me kk! Gorzow horrible from the tapes tonight.

The standard of refereeing has been poor so far. Absolutely nothing wrong with that start