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THJ over 14 GPs averaged just over 5 points a GP. Been much worse in the GPs over the last 20 or so years. Always been overated in the UK due to people thinking his overseas form would translate to the UK.

Its a daft argument anyway as Jonasson is in a rapid decline . But since Lindback and Lindgren, he has been the best rider Sweden have produced taking into account his Swedish and Polish top flight scores.

I thought the argument was since Lindback and Lindgren, who came on the scene around 2002, Sweden hadnt produced a better rider? THJ was a heavy scorer in Poland as well.

Jonsson retiring is sad news but not unexpected. Superb rider and his style was one of the best out there .

Havent looked but he was a regular high scorer in the top leagues in Poland and Sweden .

THJ in his peak performed a lot better than anything Berntzon or Nilsson etc has managed in Poland and Sweden. even if you look at his GP results from 2015 - he may not of made a semi final but had plenty of 6 and 7’s which isnt too bad, and beat plenty of top riders along the way. so what Col is saying is right - since Lindgren and Lindback , THJ is the best that Sweden have produced.

Jonasson was superb back in the day on the continent and always felt he couldn’t be arsed in the UK. I remember him having a number of good GP performances tho?!

People want fresh faces yet after a GP of him scoring nothing everyone would be saying hes out of his depth blah blah blah ... dont agree with Gavan much if at all but he is actually right here ... whilst well passed their best , Zagar and Iversen are probably in the top 15 in the world still , will still win races and make semi finals and even the odd final , and theyve qualified by right. Iversen and Zagar got in ahead of a guy currently sat 4th in the standings , so they can still mix it. From where I can see, next year their wont be a Harris who trails in way way adrift in the standings. Unless of course Harris gets a wild card , which obviously he wont.

People should be thankful Pontus Aspgren didnt qualify!

Im sorry but Morley has been around for ages with Rye , Arena and Eastie and hasnt done anything . Espiecially in the main body of the team. Hume , Stoneman and Mountain are all younger and have some potential. Morley no. If i was a promoter i certainly wouldnt touch him. Been many around like him before , good in the 3rd tier rubbish in the second. Barrie Evans , Martin Williams are two i remember at Newport, Chris Courage is another , Karl Mason ..... good in the conference but rubbish when stepping up.

Leads you to believe? Its a fact. And no, i am not a Poole supporter whatsoever . I just like to pass comment when people seem to slag off Poole for no reason , doesnt mean I support them. I dont think i could ever support a club that has Lisa Collette and Starman as fans to be honest .

He is absolute garbage at this level though and has had many chances . Why not try Thomsen? Having a higher average than the other two means absolutely sod all. Barrie Evans used to be superb in the NL and then rubbish in the Championship , much like Morley.

Hume and Stoneman yes , Morley certainly not .

Being called a fool by you is almost as funny as when Starman called someone else stupid . You have far more important things to be doing thats right, such as posting on Poole threads every other hour Or asking webcam girls for photos ?

Gavan the huge Ipswich fan who nobody knows makes his second visit of the season and Ipswich get a tonking. Brilliant . As I said earlier , Ipswich definitely the weakest team in the play off births and will be first pick for whoever tops the league.

Had a dig at Smolinski somewhere I seem to remember and there will be more , just going off instagram comments that always appear in my news feed . Obviously as he was a Poole rider youll think hes great and the best thing since sliced bread.

Of course it will have more heatleaders ... that wasnt my argument . my argument is the league in general is absolutely no where near the standard it was . if you genuinely think Craig Watson in his prime would only average 6.5 in the current championship i can only assume your on a wind up. The EL back then was strong , and was a proper top flight when I think only Gollob was missing from the Gp field. Now theres only one full time GP rider in the league. I would genuinely pay good money to watch the old Premier league standard , would I to watch now? No.

He is one hundred percent correct though. the way Ward behaves himself on social media just makes himself look even more of a knobhead than he looked before his crash. Some of the comments regarding other riders are disgraceful. The guy is a complete w@nker.

So Bwitcher your trying to say the 2019 Championship League is a stronger league than the 2003 Premier League??? The assessed figure has nothing to do with the league being stronger or weaker - back in the day the Premiership as it was then was an attractive league for Europes top youngsters - now it isnt. In all honesty most of the newcomers to the second tier these days are not good enough. Iversen, Zagar , Bjerre, Nicki P, Bjarne P etc were all highly rated before they signed for UK clubs, now the top foreigners either give the UK a miss completely or go top tier . I am of course intelligent enough to understand basic Maths or I wouldnt hold down such a successful job that involves Maths every minute of every work day , I am also intelligent enough to know the league is no where near as strong as it once was . I was a Newport fan and watched the league every week , you on the other hand are a Wolves fan or were at least .

Wato and Smart 6.5-7.5 riders in this league now? Lol! Behave yourself. Watson espiecially would clean up in the current second division. Scheiln, Morris and Harris capable of beating the best in the world whilst on it? Again get a grip. Morris has been rubbish all season , Scheiln is a shadow of the rider he was 5 years ago and Harris is on a rapid decline. You could also say world speedway in general is a lower standard now than it used to be - Doyle certainly wouldnt of won a world title in Crump , Nicki P and Tricks hey day .

It was extremely rare for anyone to hit their assessed figures of 9.00 back in those days , i think Iversen was one of the only ones i seen do it along with Bjarne Pedersen and Zagar . Watson was even better and Smart was probably having his best ever season in the Uk That year until he was wiped out on turn 4 heat 1 against Glasgow on the eve of the GP. there are obviously stronger heatleader trios from that season , Zagar , Harris and Ondrasik for Trelawny , Stead , Stoney and Karlsson for Workington , Gjedde, Allen and Fry for Swindon etc.... the strength of the second tier back then was a lot stronger than these days . Id rather , at their form in 03 (Newport) vs the Somerset trio now , Iversen , Watson and Smart over Morris, Harris and Scheiln any day of the week. Espiecially before Smarts crash when he was averaging more than Watson and Iversen... Watson was third in the averages that year at the time and wasnt allowed to ride in the pairs at Workington , which Smart and Iversen were second.

Doesnt make it right no but he wasnt facing anyway from him when the punch was thrown. So he did see it coming . Also Dugard could of suffered serious injuries the way Andersson took him off

Unless they rode abroad together , they werent team mates at the time. and secondly, Andersson clearly seen the punch coming at him. Assuming your talking about the Dugard/Andersson incident at Eastie in 1999.

You talk some garbage at times but youll obviously think your correct as usual however your not. Back in 03 and other years , heatleaders faced actual heatleaders in every race. For instance in 2003 , our number 5 Watson would face Zagar , Harris and Sanchez and then Zagar and Harris in heat 13 . And then the nominated race . You cannot seriously tell me most riders riding as “heatleaders” now would of averaged the same or more than heatleaders 15 years ago? Can you honestly say Thomas Jorgensen would of averaged 8 amongst the likes of Wilson, Stoney, Schott, Watson, Thorp, Harris, Coles etc ..... ? Most top PL riders whod make the full time transition to EL would only average around 5 in their debut seasons... Watson only rode one and a bit full time then dropped back down . His prime PL days were better than Scheiln has ever acheived in the same league. 2004 I think was his best PL year individually . The second tier now is pathetically weak compared to years gone by , I watched Pl racing every week from 99 to 2011 and the product , like the EL, was diluted year on year . Just looking at the updates sites , generally race times are the same now as they were in 2005. So in nearly 15 years , with most tracks becoming slicker and engines being tuned to a much better standard , times are still the same ? Why arent these better second tier riders hammering in much better race times than riders were 15 years ago? You take the top 15 averaged riders from a random year 15 ish years ago and compare them to the top 15 now, try telling me the current top 15 is better . If you do, your lying .

You talk some garbage at times but youll obviously think your correct as usual however your not. Back in 03 and other years , heatleaders faced actual heatleaders in every race. For instance in 2003 , our number 5 Watson would face Zagar , Harris and Sanchez and then Zagar and Harris in heat 13 . And then the nominated race . You cannot seriously tell me most riders riding as “heatleaders” now would of averaged the same or more than heatleaders 15 years ago? Can you honestly say Thomas Jorgensen would of averaged 8 amongst the likes of Wilson, Stoney, Schott, Watson, Thorp, Harris, Coles etc ..... ? Most top PL riders whod make the full time transition to EL would only average around 5 in their debut seasons... Watson only rode one and a bit full time then dropped back down . His prime PL days were better than Scheiln has ever acheived in the same league. 2004 I think was his best PL year individually . The second tier now is pathetically weak compared to years gone by , I watched Pl racing every week from 99 to 2011 and the product , like the EL, was diluted year on year . Just looking at the updates sites , generally race times are the same now as they were in 2005. So in nearly 15 years , with most tracks becoming slicker and engines being tuned to a much better standard , times are still the same ? Why arent these better second tier riders hammering in much better race times than riders were 15 years ago? You take the top 15 averaged riders from a random year 15 ish years ago and compare them to the top 15 now, try telling me the current top 15 is better . If you do, your lying .