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The 4 Hours Speedway Meeting....
New Science replied to SCB's topic in Speedway News and Discussions
With fifteen two minute warnings plus 15 races at 1 minute a piece we could be all be out of the stadium within the hour, -
Belle Vue National Stadium
New Science replied to PHILIPRISING's topic in Speedway News and Discussions
I thought Sunderland / Newcastle was your club. Have you been to the National Speedway Stadium yet ? -
Wolves regular crowds are at the lowest I can remember them in modern times, this coincidentally at the same time that the standard of racing has probably been at its poorest since I can remember.
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Its neither any more I,m afraid. One of the main drawbacks of the modern sport
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It seems every young person I speak to has the latest smart phone. People of most generations have money they just choose not to spend it on watching speedway
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Sky get speedway for a pittance anyway. People should be interested in the product which is the sport,not on manufactured violence.
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Can't believe that people believe that Sky dropping speedway is all about cutbacks . Sky get speedway for a pittance compared to other sports. Sky dropping speedway has more to do with the state of the sport than anything else. BT taking over may be ok but as with the GP and Champions League football, less people will be watching.
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I dare say you could have asked Dave Gordon why he allowed the turnstiles to click on opening night when probably fully aware of the softness of the track in bends 3 and 4 before lunch on that same day.
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If investigative journalism is printing one persons version of events and not challenging it when it contradicts a different version of the same event that is out in the public domain then you nailed it, Lets hail the free press who investigates a story without asking a question ? # toothless
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Would all the outstanding rent from last year have been paid up
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How is the progression of youngsters going to get rid of double points ? That would make a change
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Belle Vue National Stadium
New Science replied to PHILIPRISING's topic in Speedway News and Discussions
Not if you read this forum they don't -
Belle Vue National Stadium
New Science replied to PHILIPRISING's topic in Speedway News and Discussions
Fortunately for Phil Rising and the Speedway Star more speedway fans care about the music played at speedway meetings than they do about investigating journalism -
You can add heat 13 of the grand final to that list. Brilliant Apologies I could only access the 2nd race. Didn't realise top one was from grand final
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To be fair to Burnt Face Man he does have a point. Other than play off finals the crowd at Wolves is the lowest I've known in 30 years watching regularly.Its literally down to the die hards with big gaps on the terraces . Coupled with that is that the racing is no more than average most weeks, not a patch on what it used to be. It has to be acknowledged .
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Belle Vue National Stadium
New Science replied to PHILIPRISING's topic in Speedway News and Discussions
I think its a case of journalism is not dead but just not very well. I am not a journalist , all Ive done is compare the 2 written published accounts of what happened on opening night and said they contradict each other. Nothing more. As for me not liking the answers ,I couldn't find the questions. Your 4 page spread does not contain one question mark. As much as I enjoy reading Speedway Star every week when in comes to investigating the sports less favourable issues, the pretext seems to be to print a testimony of one person's version of events and accept it as the truth. Unfortunately normally your choice of to give chapter and verse is the person who is trying to save their own backside be that Dave Gordon,Greg Hancock, Ole Olsen or B.S.I. etc. etc I know the sport has been at a low ebb for a while now and these events do it no favours but there seems a reluctance to dig in these matters "for the good of the sport" and simply move on. Unfortunately it does the magazine and its readers no credit. -
Belle Vue National Stadium
New Science replied to PHILIPRISING's topic in Speedway News and Discussions
Comments about whether the opening night should have gone ahead are "irrelevant" to you because your magazine does not want to ask any awkward questions, as usual. Lots of fans were seriously out of pocket that night, so when major speedway meetings are called off at the last minute not due to inclement weather, then it should be investigated and the detail and sequence of events becomes important.. I know that there is a lot of good will in speedway but I'm sure many of your readers would prefer to know who actually knew what and when that night ? -
Belle Vue National Stadium
New Science replied to PHILIPRISING's topic in Speedway News and Discussions
Just read the Speedway Star report on the Belle Vue issues. I'm also disappointed that similar to the Greg Hancock incident in Melbourne we have an article / investigation with one sole voice referenced. The only other reference of the opening night events I've read are those of the clerk of the course for that evening which have been posted on this forum.The 2 versions of events {DG and clerk of course} seem to contradict each other a little. Dave Gordon says "During Saturday 19th March final preparations for the meeting continued and the weather during the day was fine and sunny.But as it turned cold in the evening dampness was drawn up from the sub base which we now know contained a substantial amount of sealed in water ,and up into the shale which made the surface on turns three and four softer and more inconsistent than the rest of the track. The clerk of the course said " I arrived at 10 am, it was mentioned to me that turns 3 and 4 was not as compact as they would have liked. I walked the track with meeting referee Graham Flint at 1 pm .We walked anti clockwise from bends 1 and the track was very firm until bend 3.At this point although the top layer was dry the track was not completely solid.It seemed there was softer material below the visible track surface. This seems to indicate that the track was soft on bends 3 and 4 before lunch on the day of the meeting which DG describes as"fine and sunny" and not a result it "turning cold in the evening" as DG describes. Manchester Evening News quoted "After a few practise laps the riders raised concerns over the 3rd and 4th corners complaining it was too soft" Yet again with a Speedway Star article / investigation on one of speedway's unfortunate events and you can include Greg Hancock / Gelsenkirsen / Warsaw they are not prepared to ask any difficult questions , just report established facts and one persons testimony -
Belle Vue National Stadium
New Science replied to PHILIPRISING's topic in Speedway News and Discussions
Please tell me Where the outdated rubbish , lies and insults are ? -
Can Gavan not refer to everyone who disagrees with him as " troll "
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Belle Vue National Stadium
New Science replied to PHILIPRISING's topic in Speedway News and Discussions
Its a bit convenient that Gordon retires 3 days before he was effectively struck off, He knew it was going to happen and tried to site retirement to make his departure look more honourable before his speedway colleagues effectively binned him from the sport.Reading the clerk of the courses report the problems with the track were noticed at lunchtime of that day, it can't have been the first time that week that it was noticeable that the track was soft on bends 3-4. Due to the admitted financial pressure already on the promotion cancelling was not a viable financial option and they decided to muddle it through, hoping the riders would play ball and spectators would understand and put up with a track that was at best ride able . Unfortunately in the view of the riders the problems were too serious,the meeting was cancelled and the bends in question were subsequently ripped up and relayed. The deal Gordon and Morton brokered with the council was financial suicide, albeit by 2 men who had Belle Vue and speedway in their hearts, but still ridiculously over their heads in debt. Sure Gordon and Morton may not be to blame for everything but i believe their botched business plan led to poor decision making which finds us where we are today.