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Thats all well and good mate but on this one your view is that 2 + 2 = 5. Bwitcher is simply pointing out that it is 4, its not his opinion, he isn't trying to brainwash anyone, he is merely stating a fact. As for him having got round to agreeing with GRW, he has maintained all through this thread, and others, that the Elite League isn't as strong nowadays, its just that GRW was out of his depth in the debate and went on the schoolkid approach of trying to turn things around

Is it not on SKY? Someone needs to e mail them and find out what is happening. I have my video set on ITV 4

The difference with a GP round though is that no matter how your first/second/third/fourth rides have gone a rider will still be busting a gut in his fifth because of the nature of the competition. In other words a rider is racing three opponents in every race of every round. In meetings like the BLRC (or world finals for that matter) once the chance to win had gone a rider would be less motivated to race hard meaning the front runners had potentially easier opposition included in their later heats

More that he confuses bullsh!t with reasoned debate

I know you do Ian, we have been here before have we not?

Your'e a legend Sidney, did you type all that with a straight face

It would never be half an hour. 5 mins per race is reasonable so there is no reason for the whole nights racing to take more than 75 mins. Throw in a worthwhile interval and the whole show should be 90 mins

A team should be allowed a "time out" to be used once and once only during the match whereby in the case of a restart a rider can indicate that he wishes for an additional two minutes and the pit gate will be opened and the four riders use the time as they wish. Once a team has used the option then the pit gate remains shut to them in the case of any further re starts. Should a race be re started twice then the additional two minutes and pits access will be granted to all four competitors. Of course in the case of a fall then the time should be at the refs discretion

Looks rather like a 30 second video to me

Are you on a mission to look foolish today?. Is it something to do with Comic Relief?

So you will agree then that no matter who the riders the mean average of everyone in the league will always be around 6. Equally for every rider who averages 8 another will be on 4, for someone on 9 there will be a 3 point rider. The individual averages can be heavily influenced by various factors i.e fixed gate positions, race format and in particular heat 15. One of a teams top two is now guaranteed to drop 3, 4 or even 5 points in a match making 10 plus averages nearly impossible. It isn't that the riders are inferior to their 11 plus average counterparts of yesteryear, basic maths dictate those kind of averages cant be posted. The Elite League is not the high standard it was, no one denies that but averages dont prove the point

Think your'e banging your head against a brick wall mate. If we staffed the entire league with 70 members of this forum I wonder what he thinks the top twenty averages would look like at the end of the season

He doesn't fail to realise it, it is the basis of his argument, an argument that is 100% correct. You are either not reading the posts or have no grasp of simple maths

To simplify it completely lets go to extremes. Lets have a league of 4 teams with only 1 rider in each team. For arguments sake those riders are Chris Holder, Nicki Pedersen, Greg Hancock and Tomasz Gollob. Now come the end of the season what sort of average would those riders have. In Sidneys world they would easily all have 10 point averages, they are world class riders easily capable of 10 point averages are they not. They couldn't all tend around the six point mark could they, leading the dumber among us to believe they are not as good as a mere second string in the 20 team British League of the 70s

Dont worry, its definitely on ITV 4, with a mega ad campaign each week in between Corrie. I had it confirmed last week

Is it on SKY over here, just sent an e mail to them threatening to cancel if not

What sort of business model is that FFS

I think everyone knows its ITV4 seeing as it was leaked last Thursday

It has as much point as any other of his 168 posts

No more dead money than having a couple of million quid tied up in an asset that only gets used 20 times a year

This is a myth that crops up time and again. For a business that only uses a stadium 20 days a year then renting is by far the best and cheapest option. Its the difference between having a mortgage or renting a house, in lots of circumstances renting is by far the better option. Renting stadia does provide problems with difficult landlords but in an ideal world of totally co operative landlords then Speedways business model is far better suited to renting than owning.

It isn't

The joke went right over your head there did it.

All very confusing, I have just sent an e mail to SKY asking them what is going on

Not a bad top three although I would have them in a different order. Three superbly natural talents on a speedway bike.