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Warsaw Gp Saturday 18th April
oldace replied to racers and royals's topic in Speedway Grand Prix and Speedway World Cup
The repercussions I was suggesting as far as the riders go would be the withholding of prize monies for this event. -
Don't get smart with me, once I have sorted Sidney out at Swindon on Thursday I may make a little trip up to Sunderland next!!!!!
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Yeh spot on Ian. Best to make lifestyle changes based on the words of someone you dont know on an unrelated internet forum.
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Warsaw Gp Saturday 18th April
oldace replied to racers and royals's topic in Speedway Grand Prix and Speedway World Cup
If you want a refund you can get one. That is a certainty. Terms and conditions are irrelevant if they contain unreasonable clauses. To sell an item and say we may decide only to give you half of it, is unreasonable and you would, if you took the matter further get your £20.00 (or whatever it was) back. It will of course cost you time and money to do it and no one in their right mind would bother individually. Collectively it is more realistic but even still not really viable. In the case of being ripped off for a small amount and the seller does not refund you, the only realistic course of action is to not use their services again. Chances are, in this case, refunds, or partial refunds will be forthcoming -
Warsaw Gp Saturday 18th April
oldace replied to racers and royals's topic in Speedway Grand Prix and Speedway World Cup
It has nothing to do with being license holders. In all cases the contract exists between the party that paid the money and the party that received it. If there are refunds they will come from the PZM who in turn, if there is a case, will claim against BSI. The riders have simply unleashed a beast here and I wouldn't be so sure they will be exempt from any repercussions. They are contractually obliged to the GPs and to simply withdraw your services at a moments notice is unacceptable -
Warsaw Gp Saturday 18th April
oldace replied to racers and royals's topic in Speedway Grand Prix and Speedway World Cup
I would imagine BSI are not in a position to talk about refunds. The PZM were the event organizers and your contract is with them, not BSI. -
Warsaw Gp Saturday 18th April
oldace replied to racers and royals's topic in Speedway Grand Prix and Speedway World Cup
Yes but it is stored in a scientifically proven pyramid fashion don't forget -
Warsaw Gp Saturday 18th April
oldace replied to racers and royals's topic in Speedway Grand Prix and Speedway World Cup
Of course it is. Like a few of us have been saying all along while others preferred not to believe the evidence of their own eyses and go along with the unfit track cobblers. The green light start should not have been an issue though and it is clearly laid out in the rules as an alternative when the gate malfunctions. Of course the reality is it ultimately comes down to weak officials allowing the riders to decide if a meeting carries on or not. -
Warsaw Gp Saturday 18th April
oldace replied to racers and royals's topic in Speedway Grand Prix and Speedway World Cup
And there was a problem with the tapes that day too -
Warsaw Gp Saturday 18th April
oldace replied to racers and royals's topic in Speedway Grand Prix and Speedway World Cup
You don't need to keep repeating it, we are all quite aware who's jurisdiction the decision to cancel comes under. Look who that Jury is though. Tony Steele. Well we saw him in action at Belle Vue v Poole last year with the infamous "moisture coming out of the track" nonsense once heat 10 was reached. He clearly showed he was merely a puppet dancing to a tune that night. A weak individual who allows himself to be manipulated. Jim Lawrence By heat 12 Jim was flailing like a drowning man and was probably happy to have it stopped and be put out of his misery. The other member (a Pole I believe) I am not aware of so can't comment on his credentials However it is dressed up and whoever s decision the call off ultimately was, the reality, as we all know, is that rider power got that GP cancelled and that is wholly unacceptable -
Dont say I don't do anything for you Sidney BRITISH SEMIFINAL. Birmingham 14/5/1982. 1.Alan Grahame 13 2.Kenny Carter 12 3.Andy Grahame 12 4.Phil Collins 12 5.Malcolm Holloway 11 6.Peter Collins 9 7.Simon Wigg 9 8.John Davis 8 9.Melvyn Taylor 8 10.Mark Courtney 7 11.Steve Bastable 6 12.Ian Cartwright 5 13.Dave Morton 2 14.Rob Hollingworth 2 15.Malcolm Simmons 2 16.Neil Collins 1 8 to British final.
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Warsaw Gp Saturday 18th April
oldace replied to racers and royals's topic in Speedway Grand Prix and Speedway World Cup
I dont play any games Sidney, but I can accept being wrong without getting in a tizzy. Actually along with your rants you often make valid contributions that I find myself agreeing with. Your assertion earlier re Wembley 81 was a point I agree 100% with. You seem to have a good knowledge of the sport in the main but you are so hostile when anyone disagrees with you. Anyway about that fight, Thursday ok with you -
Warsaw Gp Saturday 18th April
oldace replied to racers and royals's topic in Speedway Grand Prix and Speedway World Cup
So you think that at heat 12 the jury decided the track wasn't safe and the ruders disappeared into a meeting to convince them otherwise. Yeh right. The riders decided they were not carrying on and railroaded a weak jury into going along with them. -
Warsaw Gp Saturday 18th April
oldace replied to racers and royals's topic in Speedway Grand Prix and Speedway World Cup
Those that wanted to race simply had to be ready to race when their next heat came round. If they chose to follow, sheep like, then they are as guilty as the others -
Warsaw Gp Saturday 18th April
oldace replied to racers and royals's topic in Speedway Grand Prix and Speedway World Cup
The only part that could be termed a shambles was the starting tapes not working, and it need not have been an issue. By the interval I thought it was shaping up to be a pretty good GP -
Warsaw Gp Saturday 18th April
oldace replied to racers and royals's topic in Speedway Grand Prix and Speedway World Cup
Nobody paid BSI any money to attend. The event was run by the PZM not BSI. The refunds, if there are any, are not BSIs jurisdiction -
Warsaw Gp Saturday 18th April
oldace replied to racers and royals's topic in Speedway Grand Prix and Speedway World Cup
Well it appears you might be. It may have escaped your notice but the riders are not the ones who have been shafted here. They were given a superb venue and a perfectly adequate (going by the way they raced on it I would say pretty good, but we will stick with adequate) track on which to ply their trade yet for some inexplicable reason they elected to stage a mass walkout. Starting by green light can't be the reason, it is a minor inconvenience but nothing more. The race track was fine so what was the agenda ? As it stands, although I hope the riders are severely punished and at the very least lose any prize monies from this event, these clowns haven't lost out on anything with their antics. The riders almost certainly won't be gagged, in fact they are probably now realizing the seriousness of what they have done and are keeping schtumm in case legal action is instigated. -
Warsaw Gp Saturday 18th April
oldace replied to racers and royals's topic in Speedway Grand Prix and Speedway World Cup
Correct. The meeting is on you tube for anyone who hasn't seen it and the racing in the last few heats was as good as anywhere with no hint of any problem with the racing surface. Too much was allowed to be made of the tapes malfunction as well, yes it is unprofessional for this to have happened but when it did there was no need for a near 1 hour delay. 5 mins or so to attempt to resolve and then go off the green light as per the rules, its no big deal. -
Warsaw Gp Saturday 18th April
oldace replied to racers and royals's topic in Speedway Grand Prix and Speedway World Cup
And they should be big enough to make that decision without being influenced by whinging riders and have the gravitas for that decision to be respected. Not sure Phil Morris falls into that category yet. Certainly a baptism of fire for Phil, he must be wondering what the hell he has got himself into -
Warsaw Gp Saturday 18th April
oldace replied to racers and royals's topic in Speedway Grand Prix and Speedway World Cup
No, not in the slightest -
Warsaw Gp Saturday 18th April
oldace replied to racers and royals's topic in Speedway Grand Prix and Speedway World Cup
Correct. Advantage appears to have been taken of an inexperienced race director. The 2 mins should have been put on and any riders not ready to race dealt with accordingly. Maybe Phil Morris hasn't properly managed the transition from rider to race director. Just watched a few heats again and I reiterate that there was nothing wrong with that track, in fact as one offs go it was pretty darm good. Hopefully severe action will be taken against the riders and Ole Olsen should be exonerated. Under no circumstances should any prize money be paid in relation to this GP -
Warsaw Gp Saturday 18th April
oldace replied to racers and royals's topic in Speedway Grand Prix and Speedway World Cup
No one doubts they got it wrong, but nowhere near wrong enough to even consider abandoning the meeting. As for starting using a light on light off method, well formula 1, moto GP etc seem to manage without it being a mega problem. It really shouldn't have been a big deal, you come under orders and go when tapes go or when light goes out in this case, just get on with it. The damage Saturday has done will come home to roost in due course. For my part I was undecided as to whether to do Cardiff this year and I now think Sat has decided for me. I don't want to take the chance of a rider revolt and the meeting being abandoned so I don't think I will bother. -
Warsaw Gp Saturday 18th April
oldace replied to racers and royals's topic in Speedway Grand Prix and Speedway World Cup
The apology should come from the 16 (or however many didnt want to ride) riders. They have shafted BSI, Ole Olsen and themselves. That track was in no way too dangerous to carry on. If rider safety has moved on to this level then abandon the whole sport. Motorbike racing is dangerous and last night would have constituted no more danger than many other matches. The ref and Phil Morris should take some blame, allowing a rider meeting in the middle of a gp ffs, just put the two minutes on, anyone not going out to race should have been thrown out of the series -
Bit risky, if they weren't clean he could have ended up with pure sh!t coming out of his mouth Oh, maybe thats what happened