orion

As I said before ..Cook is one of the worst things to happen to speedway a massive head and one stupid idea after another ...please go .

Surely the public did thou ...that is why Murray won ,,I respect that you don't think that is the case my choice would have been Farah by the way ...but the bottom line is the public thought otherwise .

Whoosh

? the public voted for the royal family not the bbc ..not sure if had noticed but the royals are popular ....don't forget those posh people who have won of it late like Bradley Wiggins,.Ryan Giggs and Tony McCoy ....it always amazes me was guff people come up with just because they have liitle understanding that speedway is not popular to people outside the hard core fans .

It's cracks me up ..only 5 mins the above poster makes a comment about people turning to name calling when people can't debate the point ...and then the above ..something he does all the time ..there again seeing your double standards on the points debate it comes as no shock This is what he put Aaahhhh yes - the last option from the intellectually challenged when the argument is lost. Personal abuse. I'm not really surprised in your case.

That was are first Davis Cup in about 100 years with Murray winning all his games so not hard understand how he won it .. not sure how the others step up as nearly all the points were won by him in all formats Not really it just a case of money ..Horse Racing has gone Golf is going as well as the Lakeside Darts etc Yea look at all of the Boxing they have shown this year .

But you went when tac subs changed far more results than double points ...you comments have nothing to with unfairness

Maybe they never had the internet back then . in the old days nothing was unfair

Poole and Belle Vue top two ...no doubt there make changes but Cov to finish bottom by a long way ...shocking side

I think that's a whoosh

As I said you have had about 100 used names and still no moderation .

So Muller must crap then if you judge people on there first season ...why the change of heart I thought you said he was good

Well there bound to be when you have multi user names like you

Why say anything ..just go no one cares ..

I am aggressive ? you need to read your own posts ..are explain again very slowly ...I said both systems had flaws ..so there was need for you to go off on a big rant ...the bottom line is you read the post wrong and went into everything was great in the old days mode without even thinking . Explain to me how the old system and how they got get there was not a joke ...nearly all the best riders were in one side of the draw and the worst riders were in the other meaning each year you zero chance of having the best riders in the final as well as leaving at least 6 no hopers in the final ...if you think that is fair then your are clueless . Yet again talking about the pole I yet again explained he was good in Poland but doubt he would have got to the final under a fair and even draw. the fact he beat Mauger 7 -6 means nowt as I expect most of those races were in Poland ( correct me if I am wrong about that) .Also ivan comment about being him a deserved champion on the day has nothing to do with the point I was making so yet again you got the wrong end of the stick .. . As for Saying Muller would have grace any world final well after he won it on his home longtrack track he only scored 3 points in each of the next two so hardly graced them did he ?

Yawn

First all I never said the new system was fair and the old system was not ..so you just had a big rant without reading what I said . I understand that both had benefits and Flaws sadly when the ones of old system are pointed people like you go into deny mode The bottom line is that out of the 16 due to the way the draw was done what was clearly silly and unfair at least 6 riders should have not been there and even riders who went on to win would not have made it in the first place ..your Mate Szczakiel was good in Poland etc but from open draw there was no way he would got into the final .looking back I was maybe a bit harsh on Muller but reading about his final by all accounts he was allowed to practice on the track for weeks before hand and the track was set up like a long track so clearly he had a massive and unfair advantage over the others .

OK ..tell me what his record was in the uk and his final record was bar that win seeing you know so much ? your find it hard to find a speedway fan who would have thought that Muller would have got to a World Final had had into the same stages as the brits the yanks the danes the swedes etc ....

I fyou if you knew about speedway then would understand that Muller would not have made the final if he had gone in with the best riders in say the overseas final etc ...the fact that Won in Norden does not change that ..Muller was never a class act when he rode in the uk .

Because unfair rules allowed them to .

Of course they were flukes as if Egon and Jerzy would have never had made the final in the first place ..if Egon and Jerzy would say rode in the overseas finals rather that the weak route that allowed poor riders to get into the final they would gone out . Having a system that never allowed all the best riders to get into the final was not only unfair but stupid .

That is a good thing the less chance of a fluke winner the better ..as I said if the old system rules had of been fair rather being stupid then the underdogs would not have made the final in the first place .

Very True Sid ..my point is thou the old rules meant that not having a open and fair draw meant people who won would not have made it in the first place meaing these outsiders would have never have been the final in the first place ....there was just as much unfairness about the old system as there is with gp's .

All i done of this subject is make a point about the old gp system being unfair ...the only one who has mouth off and made insults is you as you can't control your child like temper . Any how back to the subject matter .

Why not just stick to the subject matter for a change rather than act like a child ? the bottom line is no matter what age you are the old system was unfair