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Maybe they don't want to ...let's be honest if I was a former rider I would be more than happy to paid knowing it would help my club who badly need every penny . As I said before one of speedway biggest problems over the years have been the amount of people who are let in for nothing for one reason or another . If certain clubs want to do it then fair enough but I can totally understand if others choose not to .

Of course one thing can make a massive difference ..having fixed race nights meaning more chance of full teams with increase crowds overall in a big way . while the changing double points wont change anything on it's own . Changing the double points means nothing .

Not sure looking at the weather there is a cold winter coming .

Golden Double won't make a jot of difference to improved attendances in the big picture it's irrelevant .

Well said... it's amazing that people think that just because someone is good at speedway there view and opinion can't be challenged ....

The Big league failed last time .so using you logic that you should not try things that have not worked before it's surely a no go in your book .

The idea is to win titles not to come 9th etc ..plus Gollob had the advantage of thous home gp not only in Poland but on his own track ..its not for debate the facts clearly show Nicki was better.

The difference Between all your other examples is that never rode at the same time under the same rules ...Nicki and Gollob rode under the same rules over a long period of time ...and the facts tell you Nicki was miles better . The trap you fall into if that see all these great moves Gollob did and think that makes him better...when really he was just more exciting .

Of course you go on how many World titles they won ...Pedersen was Better than Gollob end of story the facts tell you that ...Nicki never had to do all thou's moves because he was better from the gate

Ever if Jason does ride here the standard has got lower and lower overall in the last 20 years as have the crowds ...you must be the only person who thinks otherwise .

The cost cutting measures and making the standard lower has been the same plan for last the 20 years ...not really worked has it ?

The main issue is lack of crowds .Football has massive spiralling costs in wages but because the product and standard are good it pays it's way .

Why not let 300 others in for free and see if they do the same ? then your swell the crowd by 30 %. As for Peter Collins thou no doubt a great rider he has now become quite bitter and started acting like an idiot . . One of speedway biggest problems is hangers on and freeloaders and Collins want over a 100 of these per meeting .

Why dont they book some guests to come instead ?

I think everyone in the world bar you understands if you do things wrong it can and will hurt others .

As I said when we had the stupid and ts rule the crowds were still large as the rest of the format was so good ..as I said I don't like any tac sub - double points rule but it's way down the list in UK speedway problems .

As I said in life people actions will effect and hurt others, surely you understand that ?..the person who commits the crime should understand consequences it will have on others (his family ) before doing it

People's actions will always cause hurt to others ...the bottom line is you can't allowed people to take bungs just because they say they are going to close the club down ...he took dirty money and should pay it back ..if the club closes then he will be one to blame . What rules do you want ? clubs to do what they want because they might close the club down otherwise ?

Rules are same all everyone in football.l in any sport including speedway people with the most money have the better teams but the rules and how you used them are the same for everyone ...only letting teams that are losing to bring on subs would be laugh out of town in football but somehow in Speedway it was ok ...I don't like double points but don't try to defend the old tac sub rule because it was just a bigger joke .

Yea Boro lost was Birmingham gain what a job he done there .

So you think that in uk speedway should able to take bungs to allowed riders to miss matches and be replaced by nl riders etc ....you take money for that sort thing in any sport and likely to get a life ban ...so yes it is boro's fault and yes he got off lightly ..take your Boro blinkers off and wake up .

The old tac rule bringing in more false results is not opinion ..it is fact .

? Boro are at fault are in my book has got off very lightly ...if the club closes down then will be one man's fault and it's not chapman's ..who it there right mind can think ok to take bungs to allowed your own riders to miss matches and be replaced by a junior . This is the trouble with speedway fans ..they moan and groan about riders and teams taking the mickey and want firm action but the moment someone tries to do that they are up in arms about it .

People never had a issue then because the rest of the product was good and we had forums like this and the internet in general ..ive been to speedway for many a year I not heard person moan about the old rule or the new rule while at a match The point being made is the rule being a joke and it bringing us more false results ,not if it's more entertaining. And as I have pointed out the old rule gave us many more false results . The bottom line if the many more important problems were sorted out then on one would really care .

Why do you think the old tac sub rule was used ? the stats show you that the old rule created more false results than the new one but at the time in had no effect on crowd sizes .. Thou I don't any tac rule of any sort people are deluded if they think that crowds are some how going to go up if they take it away . in a sport that has massive problems it's way down the list and if the teams were of good strength and track decent etc etc no one would care a rats arse about it like they never in the days of the old tac sub .