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One of the worst meetings your likely to see ..not up on speedway rules this year but I thought you could used tac subs and before Doyle had ef in 11 they were never going to used them ..i have a feeling that Doyle is not going do them or are they can' afford to pay him the extra .

So your real name is Starman then ?

Yet again after years of ok on Mondays why it somehow a problem now ..really odd mind set from Belle vue fans .its not working on a Monday for them so now wolves poor crowds after about 33 years are now because of Mondays.

Really odd this ..Wolves have done really well over years while running on a Monday other clubs has gone bust or lost loads of money like Eastie who ran on a weekend . But now because Belle Vue don't like running on Mondays somehow running on a Monday is now a massive problem for Wolves ?

We are not in 1965 anymore .uk speedway is not the only show in town anymore times have changed people are not going to spend nl stadard riders etc .lowering the standard so less fans come in is not sustanable

Insufficint riders racing on every day of the week that is what is being suggested is not a myth .the fans moaning want speedway on a Friday and the weekends not fixed race nights of a Monday and Thursday

The reason speedway is dying on its feet as it keeps getting downgraded ..its been the same plan for the last 20 years

Would it .we have not got enough riders in the first place and having a big league would make it worst .as I said give me a laugh and give me these 7 man teams in this one big league taking away all the riders who would be lost under this new rule ..where are these new riders coming from seeing we have not got enough at the moment ?

What is your answer..to keep running matches with half the teams missing each week ? or one big league that never worked before and would be of a very low standard and maybe not even enough riders ? For all the moaning people never come up with any answers that work .last year moan moan moan about guests and rr so they try to make a change to help that and then people moan about fixed race nights .as I said if the rule charges back people will no doubt moan about all the guests and rr and ask why no one is doing anything about it .

As I said before ..How many Meetings in Denmark and Sweden are on a Friday they don't find it a problem ...it's easy to justify when you see all the riders who missed matches on Fridays last year replacing them with guests and RR all the time ..time has moved on the uk can't run speedway with decent teams at the weekends anymore

Once all the riders that are lost to Poland Sweden Denmark Gp's etc also don't forget you have take out the riders from the teams who double up at the moment ..let us see your all the teams for this one big league that you have in mind ? Also tell us how this big league would work now seeing it never last time ?

I expect Fricke , , Bewley would from your side ,cook out's because he's a gp rider and then you also lose your pole so that would be 4 out of your 7 for a start that not even thinking if the other 3 double up .riders don't do that now because they have a choice and earn more money by topping it up in the uk . ...we don't enough riders now but somehow we going to have enough good riders to fill the league once we got rid of all the riders who would have to commit to Sweden ,Denmark ,Poland ,Gp's riders We have had one big league before and it was a shambles for reasons that have been given many times ,,but now 20 years later people for reason unknown people think it will work .

How many league matches in Denmark and Sweden tonight ? ..we have a league with riders committed to British speedway on nights to suit operators it's called the Nl and the crowds are poor, and if we have one big league with the riders who would leave these shores the standard would only just be above that. And that if you get enough riders to fill every spot seeing we can't even do that now

First of all you can't speedway with other motor sports as there nothing like it that includes 7 man teams in 3 different leagues with riders in other leagues all over Europe . Wage caps will never work as clubs would just pay cash in hand like they always done ..People don't want to see 5 riders of poor standard who turn up every week other wise the Nl would be packed with people rather than one man and his dog watching . The bottom is line your never going to get full sides that run on the best race nights . People don't like it but unless the standard of rider and teams get better the crowds never will ..of course the old speedway fan thinks people will turn up to watch anyone because they will

I have no doubt it has .to be honest I doubt if I would go if swindon had to ride on a Monday. But as I said the crowds are down in general so if that is the norm then Belle Vue crowds would be down as well even if they kept to riding on a Friday not as a much as a Monday of course but down never the less .people dont want guests and rr but at the same time want speedway on a Fri or a sat .sadly at the current time we can't have both .I expect this rule might stop at end of the season and then we can go back to people moaning about riders missing and rr again and asking why don't they do something about it .

The nearest Belle Vue went to going bust was there first year back at the new stadium as the crowds never stack up the want they needed to break even Friday or no Friday . The bottom line is nearly every fan said the biggest problem was not having the same 7 riders and teams being full of rr and guests ..but the moment they do something to change that the fans what to go back how it was ..you can't win

And that is the point..its been taken as a given that the change of race night is the sole reason behind the so called drop in crowds ..it looks like crowds are down general even if there race night has not been changed

Who's crowds ? Belle Vue have a had a bad start after moving but who else have these fixed race nights effected so badly ? plus we are only a few season into the season ..so to early to judge anyhow . The bottom line fans were moaning about riders missing etc so they done something about it .

People have giving plenty of cohesive arguments on this subject you keep trying to pan football is not one of them ..You and Rob have one thing in common the moment someone have another opinion to you the toys come out of the pram and you start running the forum down . As for attention seeking platform I would say Rob ranks at the top of this Forum for that

The fans think so as they go ..at speedway they don't

Fans don't go anymore because the standard of riders has dropped ..sadly people like you can't grasp that .. there are not enough genuine fans who are willing to watch sub standard riders . As has been said to you many times if you don't this forum and people who hide behind false names then don't come on here ..the only reason you ever used your own name is because in your own mind you thought you were some big cheese in speedway ..

Who was missing tonight matches due to fixture clashes ?

Massive Whoosh .

The key is overseas rider ..Woffy is not a overseas rider ..most riders no matter what ride in there own league ...most people can live with the fact he can make more money in Poland and Sweden and does not ride here that is fair enough, but not turning up for the world cup and the British Title is not in most people's eyes .

Not sure he did not ride for the reasons he stated ..not sure he's back because of the investment but more likely that the final is l at his home track ..it's amazing that people just take in everything he tells them