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I never said that that clubs relies on gate money alone ? when did I ever say that ? are take it slow with you ..if you lose 50 % on gate money how do you plan to the make up short fall up ? it's a simple question to a great business man like yourself . all the other income is going to be the same unless you can explain why it would change otherwise . The bottom line is you come up with a plan (I never saw a business plan with it ) and you can't back it up or how it would work or even answer a simple maths question ...with business acumen like that I would not let you run a bath let alone a business ..

What about sponsorship ..why would the sponsorship be anymore than any other season ? for some unknown reason a sponsor who has not come along this year is going to come along under this format and make up the short fall . the bottom line you still going lose 50k min if you come bottom . If you have got such a great business model and you can show how they would up the short fall I am ready to hear it ..the stage is all yours ? rather than I am not going to debate because I cant answer your question

What calculation or Business model did you used ? lets say leics this year charged £7 .50 match and then come bottom and have no play offs you reckon they would not go bust ..you reckon they would make the season on that ? lets say they get 800 paying fans at £15 over 12 matches that is 144 k you then half that to 77k if you take £7.50 .you then you maybe add on some more as at £7.50 you should get some more fans. you still are to lose between 30k to 50 k ..you don't really have to shoot from the hip to work it out No point in trying something new just for the sake of it and even more so if it makes no business sense .

I guess last Christmas by wham must have took some explaining to you ?

Getting to the play offs and the income it brings in are just in important ..so if you charge £ 7 .50 per match and then 20 pond for say two matches or none in some cases most clubs would go bust in about 10 weeks as the surplus would be 30 to 40 k

Yea I said that 100 times to you ..and so has everyone else . glad you finally understand

? I explained 20 times why football is not the same '..if a 4th play a 5th in the top league in football they would playing for a champions league spot ..a bottom could still playing millions of pounds in prize money .hence why they don't need play offs ..if you had posted the whole post rather than a line out of context it would have explain it to you then

Nothing as there no such thing as a five ride average ..its work out per ride x 4 .Cook average is 8.62 for the last 4 meetings ..if you used the last two seasons 2017 and 2016 it's even worst

No worries ..I happy to help you understand how you work out cma's

Of course they will ..yet again you a have a 1970 mind set .a large % of fans wont go unless there is something to race for surely your aware of that ? What you say about Poole is spot on ..The play offs keep more teams seasons alive and even bottom like the lions had a match v Belle Vue had something on it due to the play off places

No one in any sport has ever said that the play offs are fair ..the play off have always used to keep the season open for more teams and make them money .also every understands the rules before hand . without play offs and nothing to race for the modern fan will not go and clubs will go bus,t in fact play offs in speedway are more important than any other sport ..I ask again why would you watch a speedway match between a 4th and 5th team who have no chance of winning the league under the rules you want ? you said every match would count so explain what that would count for .

So if went back to old league season every match would count yea ? so if a 5th place team rode the 4th place team and they were 20 points behind the leaders what would that count for ? looking forward to this answer . As has been explained a million times much more reason to watch more matches in a play off season than a normal one

Rugby Union ,Rugby League Premier league darts ,American Football ,20 -20 cricket ,Ice hockey .,Netball .also speedway in Sweden and Poland ..it's very hard to find a team sport that never uses them now

Another lie .you are one who kept on about football .I compared them to other sports that used the same format to decide the winners .I explained to why football never had to used them ..as you know nothing about other sports that is going to be hard for you to take that in . I ask you again what are these postives and idea's you go on about that don't include going back to the past ..what are they ?

So you like the plays offs and Gp's .before you said you never .what changed your mind ?

As I said if you don't understand other sports or not interested in them then don't comment .as I said it's so naïve to say thy only popular because of media hype or people only go so they can get drunk .the clueless comments about football and 20-20 cricket say it all I say plenty of positive of things about about speedway the play offs and gp's are a great advert for the sport ..I find it's ironic that you go on about positive when don't even go anymore .tell me what do find positive what new idea's have you got ? as I said the bottom line is your only remit it's to go on about 20 years ago ..don't tell me no play offs and bring back the one off world final yea ?

It should be given no credit ..it's been ran poorly hence why it has no sponsorship and hardly any television

As I explained many time once the uk become not the first choice of the riders the whole game changed ..so things like second halfs ,Golden Helmet ,solo events etc etc were never going to work again ..just saying bring them back because they worked in the 70's is naïve and stupid ..it's bit like saying put more phone boxes on the street because they used to take a lot of money years ago . You and the likes of Moxey do yourself no favours buy keep crabbing other sports that are doing really well just because you don't like them ..I said before you have a breed of speedway fan aged between 55 to 70 a lot who only turn up on these topics who only aim is to bring back rules when they used to go

Most of the matches are poor as a rule and it's not just the racing it's the whole event that Speedway fails on ..overall speedway is poor in all area's

in fairness I miss the non league match at the start of the season ..there is no such thing as 11 from 5 it's 8.62 as your guessing what he would have scored if had ridden in each heat 15 rather than just the one . I Rather go over a longer period than 3 matches and if you take say his last 6 it's lot worst than 8.62 .

It's easy really .things that worked 30 years ago won't work now .sadly people like you can't get your head around that hence why you want things like war chants etc to come back .so i dont deride the past at all but understand it's now 2018 not 1975 .

Well you say that about any sport .the fact is sponsors want to back it and tv stations want to screen because its good .no one wants to do that with speedway because its not .it's not hard to follow

How do you work that out ? He scored 27 from his last 16 rides over the last two seasons .that is less than 8 also Doyle never rode in all thous meetings .as a rule cook never been all that good round the Abbey.

Well done to Belle vue by far the better team .You have to wonder why they have found it so hard this season as they are a decent team and if they can the make the play offs they have a great chance of winning them .Great to see Bewley ride so well .he started off slow but once he got to grips with the track he flew and was mustard in heat 15 .Swindon were poor and lack any fight for the job in hand .Why do we carry on with Jack Smith ? ok there is not much out there to replace him but he is unlikely to beat another rider so what's the point .

Bet he was cut up about that