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To be honest I think before we do anythink else we must get Jerran Hart released from prison .In speedway terms he our Nelson Mandela and if we can secure his released or break him out I think all speedway problems will be at a end as he will bring all the fans and clubs together .

Oh no .surely

16 you sure ? I do wonder if it was 16 how that compares to golden era when people said there was less guests ...I have a feeling 16 in speedway terms is not very many over a season and I also suspect that Swindon went ever lower than Belle Vue .this season So as I said not that many and perfectly acceptable for speedway in terms of what has gone before .

First of all as I on about riders being replaced form the starting 7 due to poor form, not how many guests were used during a season . but as we are on the subject could you list me these 20 guests that Belle Vue used this year and in what meetings ...after putting the above up you must pretty sure that you are correct ..otherwise it would be a bit like turning up as Batman and Robin at a wake ..looking forward hearing from you Del Boy ..should be a great read

Says a man who thinks josh auty should get a wildcard at Cardiff lol

Sorry I think it's a poor one .. I don't think you would find many Swindon fans who would agree with what he thinks is going on

?? have been living in a cave for last 10 years ...There is no chance of stadium ever being built and there never was . it's amazing even after all this time and with all the history and lies we still have people who think it will happen .

Your going a bit ott in what your saying .Who was missing in last nights matches in the premier league .Who had guests ? as I said before swindon have only made one change this year and kept 5 of the same riders they had from last year .Belle Vue and Wolves have hardly made any changes this year and have a lot of the same riders from last year as well .I think these teams made more changes 30 years ago . Speedway made a effort this year after fans kept moaning about guests, riders missing etc and in a way it's been lot better in terms of teams being the same week in week out .the trouble is all we had then was people wanting go back to riding on Friday night's etc when half the teams would be missing .the bottom line is you really can't win with speedway fans .

You don't have canvassed anyone the answer is b .its amazing that someone could think that a world champion missing would not have an effect on the crowd .its easy see why speedway is in trouble when people think like that .

Number one will still out of the side and a junior will be coming into the side no matter how you dress it up ...Tell me if people care so much about credibility who would get the biggest crowd ...A. Doyle replaced by a Junior or B Doyle replaced by Woffy

And so what if Doyle guests for puk ? better that beating some junior ( Romanian ferret smuggler ) who has replaced him

The main thing is that we have speedway next year ,.the spineless goons from Tomlinson to the people the media have let this con carry on with not one person speaking out . For god sake someone from the club or the newspaper make a stand and speak out .

Not much can be done Steve ..the horse has already bolted , The only plan has been to weaken the league cut cots etc and the crowds have fallen as the standard has . No money in the sport to get thou's riders back so we will just carry on with this slow death . I think all teams should be forced to run junior teams and matches be ran after the main match ( second half's ! your like that ) and more money put in at grass root levels to get more people taking up the sport

What was it again Steve ? not 100 minus 50 ? someone already found that a bit hard to work out

So you still can't answer the question and now you are going to punch and run again ? I hope in this successful business that you run you never took 50 % of the income out of it with no idea how to replace it .

And you can't add up ..got the answer on on how you replaced 50 % of gate money yet ? no point getting bitter because you still can't find a reply . And no point going on about education when can't answer a simple maths question . What are going to do run off again ? ps is your space bar broken ?

But we had guests when speedway was massive ..it ludicrous to think that a team who are not champions can win the champions league but guess what it happens in football . What about Cricket ? they have a rule that when you they show a video review you can be given not out even when you are . As I said before you get hold any sport and find so called ludicrous rules but as the champions league shows it does not always stop crowds coming Look at this year ..let have fixed race nights so we have less guests ..so they do it and then the fans moan that they what there own race night back even if it means having a team full of guests ..

How does prove anything ..got any stats or figures ? what about the wolves fans who went back to Wolves because Woffy came back and they won the play offs . old fans won't come back anyhow as they enjoy moaning to much, that is why even they don't to speedway they spend time on a forum going on about the past . The sport needs to aim at young fans not people stuck in 1975 .

Yea but try make out it's not there opinion that they just want the rules back from the old days . But after the while the mask soon slips .

This what i mean about these topics .it always ends up with normal suspects talking about the old days .and then then yet going on about second halfs war chants and not liking the gps and plays offs .in the end they just can't help themselfs .

That nothing to with play offs that is down to bad fixture planning and leaving things to the last moment ..look at this year one of the best summers since 1976 and only 7 teams in the league but they still can't the matches ridden . it's just another example of how poorly speedway has been run in the uk .

The answer to your last question is yea any match that means little will not have as many fans .. that is just common sense ..no doubt in the great era of speedway no one ever dropped aves to make there team stronger did they ? it happened all the time so teams could win the league next year or a cup in the same year is always been the same in speedway but no doubt you felt that was ok . Riders used to take money to drop points for god sake .the sports has always been bent . Not sure but did not have the league cup first in the old days ? I might be wrong but could not just drop ave to bring better riders in then so you could go on and win the league ? ...I guess with that in mind you stopped going ? Yet again no ever said the play offs are fair or the best way of finding the best team t but hey are a vital point in making teams more money something you cant understand . ive been to Swindon this year and they have made one team change this and that was down to a rider getting injured .the other night they rode Belle Vue who I think had the same top 5 they stated the season with . In fact Swindon and Belle vue sides have most of the same side from last year and wolves have had 3 or 4 as well . so all this every team changes a couple of weeks into the season and there is no bond between rider and fans is over stated . I expect Swindon Belle vue and wolves made more changes 30 years ago You go on about Poole this year but they likely to finish top so ever under the old rules they would have dropped riders and still won the league .

Yet again the stupid idea of blaming play offs just because crowds have dropped ...they work in every other sport but somehow uk speedway is the only sport in the world that it stops fans going . if play offs stopped people going it's stands to reason that in every sport that they are used , the the crowds would be going down as well ..the fact that they don't should give you a clue on how the public view the play offs as a whole as well as the reason why nearly every sports have them in one way or another ..no doubt they are wrong and the oap speedway fan is right ? No one ever said that play offs will improved crowds and I doubt if anything will, but it's pretty clear if we don't have them the crowds would have dropped more quicker with hardly anything to race for nearly all the clubs once june comes ..if was a marketking man I doubt I would love the task of trying to market matches that meant nothing to anyone ,if we went back to a 8 club league with only one winner ….''Roll up ,Roll up it's 4th v 5th for the vital 4th place that means nothing '',

Correct the last thing we need is teams still in with a chance of winning something so it keeps the fans coming in ..let them have no chance and end the season in june so they can go bust ...I think your post some up's the standard old fan who has zero understanding of the money side .we have already had one say lets take off 50% off teams gate money as a way forward ..not sure it can get worst than that

I remember.that.match.mick I watched it in black and white so I never knew who was who.