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What else is there to say ? you are your oap mate watched speedway but think never had a clue that it matter what gate riders were on ...just like most subjects on here your got made to look a fool again .

Well common sense will tell's that if the race draw is changed then so will the race dynamic in each heat thus changeing the outcome of each heat and indeed the overrall result ..and with small margins in a one off world finals many of the results would not have been the same .

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i ask you a question don't try to duck it ..do you thinks it's matter what gate a speedway rider is on ? it's a simple yes or no question

So let me get this correct ..your saying that what gate you have makes no difference ?

No they won't win off any gate at the top level ...if two unbeaten riders meet in there last race and one has the best gate and one has the worst then the most likely result is one with the best gate is going to win ....for someone who reckons he watches speedway you sure clueless if you don't reckon it's not important what gates riders are on and there going to go out and win no matter what .

Who said anythink about outsiders or pre season favorites winning ? no matter what the draw certain riders still can't win but there is loads of times when the champion would not have been the same but for the gate draw . In speedway meetings haveing he best gate twice rather than once can be massive and no more so in one off World Finals .

Most of those 40 finals would have had a another result if drawn in another raceorder such were the fine margins of a one off world final ..only a dummy like you could think otherwise how many winners there were over that time means nothing .

None, as i said i like to watch events with skill rather than an event that was decided by was number you had on your racejacket .

Not a slur on anyone ..the format was crap not the riders .No great champions because it was mainly a lottery ...only know can someone be called a fair and true champion . Don't have a downer

I have a hugh downer as it rubbish just because it was part of history means you can't say that ? ..Kerry Packers world series is a part of crickets history and that was crap as well .

Well yea as if they had been drawn another number they may have not have won ...the only true champions are the one's frm the Gp's as it always shows the true world no 1 from that year .

IF people had better gates than others then it is a lottery if you drew bad you had next to no chance of winning ...Just glad to see that the modern fan likes to see a fair world champion crown rather than a lucky one .

Never proved anythink ..the old one off final was lottery and was won on the draw most of the time ...it's reminded of a fishing match when the person who drew a bad peg had no chance of winning .

Did the money go where you reckon it went ? where it was suppose to go and where it went are two diffrent things all together, i think most people knew that most of money went into certain peoples back pockets rather than the naive idea that it all went back into British speedway . As for you and the money side you show how way out of touch you were by not understanding why there is a need for play offs

How manu more times i don't think the Gp's are great far from it ,what my problem is is that you try make out that they are not fair and the one off world final was ..when each year it never allowed the top 16 riders to be in it . The GP'S is far from perfect but to go about the one off world off world final being fair is a joke ..the one of final did not give you fair crack of whip to get into as if were born in certain part of the world you had less of a chance of getting into the final . As for the world one of final being superb exitement that is another joke thou some were good a lot of them were boring due to having 6 or 7 guys who had right to be in there in the first place .... Tell me what sort of crowds were the one off world finals getting in there last few years ? 100.000, 50,000 ?

Nothing about it being automatically better, the fact is time has moved on ..British speedway is not he top league in the world, not as many people watch speedway in the uk anymore etc etc . My assuming that people who want the off final back are over 50 is spot on thou ,people living in the past . it would be great if speedway could have the crowds like it did in the golden years but the fact it thats not going to happen by bringing things back things that were popular 40 years ago like you want . As for credibility you already been told how unfair and wrong the old system was about 300 times not sure why we have to tell you again .

Yep it's shame things are not what they were 30 years ago .

As has been pointed out to you many times thou the gp has it faults, the problem you got is that you try to make out the one off World final was some kind of fair event when in fact it was inherently flawed in so many ways ...as i said every year it was held you never had the best 16 riders for a start, how flawed is that ?

No one is saying that the gp sysytem is perfect far from it ....what is wrong is the over 50 's going on about the one off World Final's what was one off the most unfair systems of all time as due when you when got to the final 6 or 7 of the 16 should not have been there So much for your sense of fair play . People who don't like Gp's are all the same type ..they hate the play offs they want second halfs back, love one off world finals and are over 50 and had zero idea about the money side of the sport .

I was useing F1 as a postive F1 gets more viewing figures because it's hyped but it's not better because people on a speedway forum reckon speedway is better :rofl: . And you go on about people talking nosense :lol:

Of course not the last think we want is it to get as popular as F1 is What we need is to back to to one off world final watched by 500 people with no tv coverage to keep a few over 50's happy .

No you choose to used other sports as an example as how they are true world championship events in your eyes, as i have show you that is not the case . Not sure how they were obvious when you missed them out when trying to make your example ..the bottom line if you look closely at any sport the you will find it deeply flawed as a proper world championship just like the one off World Final was .

I thought that at Wimbledon there were wildcards ? i also thought that the host in the Football world cup went into the finals without playing a game ? or have those rules changed ? When do the F1 qualification rounds start ?

Sweden and Poland ride on the same day as when they have a live tv match did it finish off speedway completely ? ...i never said anythnk what promoters would want to ride on a monday just pointing out that it is possable to have a set race night the uk if they wanted to .