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.But ISG were not making a mass produced product that flows off the production line in the thousands. More like buying a Rolls Royce to your very individual requirements where Customer involvement is encouraged at all stages. This was a 'bespoke' product for a very specific purpose where the suitability of its performance was only ever going to be judged by the end user. The only people with any 'Speedway knowledge' at all. Common sense would tell you that SOME involvement of those knowledgeable people earlier could be a LITTLE helpful. Wouldn't you say.

As always your contributions are hoplessly unhelpful to the discussion and just cause more confusion. I assume it is intentional.

Not happy? I'd be mortified if I thought the execrable scribblings produced here were in any way representative of the authoritative Speedway Star report on proceedings that we have been anticipating for so long.

I am sure I speak for many in thanking you for your worthwhile contribution.

Not even that; it looks like part of badly wrtten article that is no where near a state ready for publication It is very oddly written. The first few paragraphs of 'scene setting' are not of A-level standard 'creative writing' and Gordon's quotes are not marshalled into the coherent narrative one would expect after all this time. It seems to be a first attempt of a rather poor journalist who is marrying together the transcript of a phone call with a rambling, and quite distrought Gordon, with his own early attempt at prose. This cannot be anything like the Star article that has been often mentioned here.

. Of course it is about the costs! Who in their right mind would spend 70k on renting bogs! But they did! Are they all mad enough to do it again? Or, are they really being built for this season, that is what I was asking.

.Bearing all of that in mind. The new promotion would be back up sh!t creek if that is still the state of the place for 2017. Surely there will need to be an awful lot of building work done before the doors open this year. Has that been agreed and work started? In this excellent 'serialised' version of the Star article under embargo we are learning much that portays the council as blackguards. And evidently rightly so as they sound nasty, incompetent and untrustworthy folk. So what has so changed now that gives us real hope for the future of speedway in contuning relation with the same people at MCC? Any more than CM and DG had this time last year? When everything was reported as so, so rosy. And very eloquently by yourself.

This latest, 2017 version, of the events of last March is certainly advantageous to DG and CM. I am just not sure that it 'chimes' with contemporaneous reports and recollections that were recorded last year. Closer to the night in question. The idea that the track was 'okay' during the day of the GOM but then massively deteriorated just in the coldoif the evening is one that I have only read in recent weeks. And even then from only one person. Could anyone provide a link to a quote online, or in the Star, where this specific claim was made around the time of the meeting itself? Or at any time during 2016.

The inference here is that it was the drop in temperature on the day of the meeting resulted in a visible material change to the track on the day. ie. It became softer from (say) 3pm to 8pm as it got colder and it was that change that made it too unsafe. That was the statement I had not seen made before by anyone.

Once more I am mystified. That is such a simple, straightforward statement of fact that explains so much, so easily. And MUST be demonstratable by eyewitness, documentary, photographic and scientific evidence that would make it incontravertible. So why has no one made it before. I have looked back to everyone's comments in the contemporary reports of the night; and the Morton/Gordon statements subsequently and listened to their Fans Forum ahead of the British Final. Plus the CofC report here. And there is no mention of this version of events that is now being put forth. " The track appeared safe and in good shape at lunchtime; and was still looked in decent enough shape to let the fans in to the Stadium. BUT by 7.30 it was totally different and the track had changed so much due to the drop in temeprature that it was now completely unsafe. " Well done, for the Scoop, PR !

Interesting. The Morton/Gordon plan of trying to convince the riders to ride (very carefully) with Meredith and his team of rollers coming out after every race to keep the show on the road just enough to get through the full meeting could have ended even more badly, Had **** not first come up with the novel idea of not racing it would have been really rather more difficult to say that the major reconstructive work was necessary at all. And we may never have got to see the track in perfect shape like we eventually did.

The OP tells us a few things. Every single person was of the opinion that the track was rideable and the meeting should/could go ahead. Except ****. From the moment of **** arriving everything changed. He, and he alone, was of the opinion that racing should not take place. After he had spoken to everyone involved, everyone also agreed. Notwithstanding their unanimous contrary opinion just minutes/hours before. It was later found that **** was completely correct and the track was in such bad shape that it needed major construction work over several weeks to rectify. After which it has been brilliant. The lessons to learn. 1) That **** is a very. very persuasive voice. 2) That organisers should have got **** to run the show from the start as he seems to have known more than anyone else involved in the debacle from just a moments first glance. 3) The identity of **** is shrouded in impenetrable mystery.

I had thought that the announcement last week HAD settled the future of speedway at the NSS. The only thing left to do was just give the details of the the new mangement/promotion. Nothing else was supposed to be 'up in the air' or pending legal questions was it?

That was then. Under Richard Clark. It has been all-gums. Not a tooth in sight.

What do you think? Let's give them the benefit of the doubt though. And pretend it did not meet their deadline. I expect to see a double-page spread on it and it's implication next week. Along with full details of the lawyers acting so that their hundreds of readers affected worldwide may be able to join the action and gain recompense.

I had to laugh that Speedway Star even dared to cast aspersions on the poor logos adopted. So they must be really bad. Peter Oakes took the trouble to copy a couple of quotes from Twitter mocking them. This must be evidence of the hard-hitting, fearless journalism we can expect in 2017 from the bitingingly independent minded Star.

Why do I have to 'respect' his decision Whatever that means. I shall 'disrespect' it to my hearts content. Even though I don't know what that means in practice either.

I notice that the original page with the various options and the details of the vote itself has been taken down. The votes clearly favoured the dire option 1. But the newer pages and usage elsewhere shows that the option adopted is none of those offered. It is a bastardised version of option 2. And is dreadful. It's bloody Boatymacboatface all over again.

One would need to be some sort of pathological Roscoe-hater to pass an adverse comment on him enjoying himself at this time of year. Whilst, simultaneously, being arse licker in chief to TW to offer any sort of support to his comments of recent times. Back in the day I remember that the first days of marriage were taken up with far more 'productive' activities than tweeting. The youth of today, eh?

Having read the government consultation document the press release is a complete overreaction. But damn good PR for a rock-hard Brexit. This sort of thing just pushes all the right buttons in the public's anti-Brusssels psyche. I imagine that is the point of it all. Every little helps. .

Absolutely right. The green light starts were what got the (ringleader) riders knickers in a twist above everything else.

As 'brand awareness' goes. You speak of Nike and Speedway in the same breath. Astonishing.

Yes, and all three are complete mingers.

So what?Who cares? Here, on a Speedway forum, we are talking about what has been produced right now for speedway. And they are rubbish. Cheap or expensive. Doesn't matter.

Not good either. And it was recieved with almost universal derision when it was introduced into Football earlier in the year. Producing other poor examples of logos does not change the simple fact. The SGB ones are childish crap.