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Its no wonder the sport is on it's knees, if they think like you do..... Without the supporters , the sport is dead... You seem to miss that point.

I inadvertently posted this on the wrong thread.!! Sorry..... Posted Yesterday, 12:49 PM I think the whole article in the SS was a Kop-out, and the name calling at the end of the passage was nothing more than a smokescreen to hide the true implications of their decisions. He states CMA are all over the place and bear no relevance to the rider, only the position he races at, He then demises the idea of weighted calculation saying their were no exact formula that would be fair to all. I find this contrary to the used method of BSPA of converting PL and EL averages. Surely that's not an exact formula either, but it is the accepted practice. In a sport where the CMA is of paramount importance, we now have a system where the Reserves and Second strings score points, more easy than the top riders, giving false calculation of team strength. To try and rectify this situation, it was decided to construct a Heatleader list, allowing teams to pick only three. This may have assured some form of equality between the team building, but it will do nothing to assist the levelling of the points collection in their races. The heat leaders will have the hardest races, followed by the Second Strings and the Reserves outscoring all with they're protected format. When the first set of figures become a available, we will have 2nd Strings riding at Reserve , we might even have Reserves riding as heat leaders. In fact all the reasons why the format was changed to have like riding against like will the go out of the window. Then we have to ask why was it changed in the first place. Regardless of how the list was assembled, it has now created another problem in that riders not on the list are more valuable to teams than those on it. Riders like Lambert and Buzz are now worth their weight in gold. It would have been so simple and straight forward to have weighted the CMA of all the riders, as illustrated by SCB ( poster not the organisation) when a heat leader list would not have been necessary . The CMA would then have meant something. Without being, a true representation of riders ability, the CMA serves no purpose at all.

I think the whole article in the SS was a Kop-out, and the name calling at the end of the passage was nothing more than a smokescreen to hide the true implications of their decisions. He states CMA are all over the place and bear no relevance to the rider, only the position he races at, He then demises the idea of weighted calculation saying their were no exact formula that would be fair to all. I find this contrary to the used method of BSPA of converting PL and EL averages. Surely that's not an exact formula either, but it is the accepted practice. In a sport where the CMA is of paramount importance, we now have a system where the Reserves and Second strings score points, more easy than the top riders, giving false calculation of team strength. To try and rectify this situation, it was decided to construct a Heatleader list, allowing teams to pick only three. This may have assured some form of equality between the team building, but it will do nothing to assist the levelling of the points collection in their races. The heat leaders will have the hardest races, followed by the Second Strings and the Reserves outscoring all with they're protected format. When the first set of figures become a available, we will have 2nd Strings riding at Reserve , we might even have Reserves riding as heat leaders. In fact all the reasons why the format was changed to have like riding against like will the go out of the window. Then we have to ask why was it changed in the first place. Regardless of how the list was assembled, it has now created another problem in that riders not on the list are more valuable to teams than those on it. Riders like Lambert and Buzz are now worth their weight in gold. It would have been so simple and straight forward to have weighted the CMA of all the riders, as illustrated by SCB ( poster not the organisation) when a heat leader list would not have been necessary . The CMA would then have meant something. Without being, a true representation of riders ability, the CMA serves no purpose at all.

Jose Mourinho name is being linked.....

ARRHHHHHHH... that's better.. Used the time to get Rory tickets as well..... Hi JC, you ok??? I thought you would still be in the know. Son of the Father and all that........ I heard on Radio Norfolk the announcement will be tomorrow. Don't know how true that is....... Just have .to wait and see !!!!

I thought it was going to be tomorrow, as according to Radio Norfolk.... Desperate to go to the loo..............

I've been called many names of late, so being labelled 'Thick and Bias' is nothing new. In Jon Cook's SS article, he goes to some length explaining how the Elite league has benefitted from the protected heat format, that was introduced 2 years ago, he also, accepts that consequently the CMA, now bear little resemblance of what they are intended for. What a pity the 'Powers at B' didn't persevere with a formula to weight the averages, instead of a common consensus of a heat leader list, based on bias opinions.... And they call us thick !!!!!

Interesting reading Dak's comments in the SS about his transfer to Poole. He said it was 'Out of his hands' and hoped to be back at Swindon soon. Makes you wonder if it was done without his knowledge......... This could really open up a can of worms...... The mind boggles on the deception of it all.....

Wouldn't want to spoil our Holiday.....

Actually I'm on a real high, thoroughly looking forward to a magically holiday we have just booked. Relax???, I can assure you I am well relaxed, and thoroughly chilled out . I am not in any state whatsoever, was merely passing a comment about the time it's taking to make the final announcement. But am so please you find it as such a laugh....... Ha Ha Ha Ha !!!!!!

I actually posted 'The reserve berth is not so important in relation to time,' meaning the time factor wasn't the issue like the Heat Leader selection is. The draft selection has been made to look like a joke now, especially as Kerr was our protected rider and as since turned away..... We are now very limited on the riders that are left.....

Anticipation is all well and good, but after a period of time the enthusiasm begins to wane. It is for this reason alone, I am concerned about the non-announcement of our remaining riders. The reserve berth is not so important in relation to time, but the fans expectation of a out and out No1 diminishes with each week that passes. I originally thought the identity of the top rider was being kept under wraps to create more excitement , but as time goes by I'm of the impression that no deal has yet been done, and the promoters are still searching for that elusive piece of the Jig-Saw.... We can only wait and see, but I'm less confident as each day passes.....

I been called a lot of things of late, but bias I am not. Having been to Leicester a few times I was pleasantly surprised in that the track was far better than I had been led to believe. I like the red colour, It is smooth and fast. Although the straights are a bit narrow, the corners have plenty of width. Ok, in the majority of races the rider who gates normally wins, but you can say that about most tracks. What I liked about the track it that it is smooth, and very safe. Sure , the racing line is narrow, but a rider behind, can impose himself on the rider in front. Sometime when pushing and nudging, the person in front will make a mistake. I'm not saying its the best track we have visited, but its not the worse either, Nothing is worse than a track where the surface is irregular, bumpy and non-consistent. And there's quite a few of them around........

Point taken....... But some of your comments were unnecessary....

You seem to have some sort of problem with opinions I post, and grade them into groups that was not what they were meant to be . (I.e. sweeping generalisation) It wasn't a sweeping generalisation, merely a fact of the way is used to be. All I wrote was that years ago the team points limit was the only form of equality and it worked quite well. That was the time when all riders rode against all the other team and included bonus points. Be interesting to know what I have done to offend you so much, for you to have this opinion that you have obviously nurtured such dislike, in your own mind.....

Could be !! Niels at No1 was as good as it gets. But it took 5 yrs to reach that top step. When he first arrived, although pretty good he wasn't that define class rider that he matured into. So not expecting the rabbit to be in Niels class, but we would like him to be acknowledged as a reputable rider with immense presence. He needs to be keen, enthusiastic, exciting and very fast. Now, I don't suppose that sort of rider will have a low average, but he could quite possibly be small in stature. So yes, 5'2" would be plenty big enough.....

Averages are not so important. But the rabbit needs to be BIG

Cant imagine Buster would change Race nights, which meant losing Kerr, if he hadn't got a big Rabbit to pull from the hat....... Waiting with anticipation......

From history, team equality was always governed by limiting the points per team. This was seen as a fair and acceptable way for to be done. Two years ago the BSPA introduced the protected heat format that destroyed the present valuation of the riders score and each became a variance of the position they were riding. Some of us, seeing the issues this idea would create, spoke of the problems if we persevered with these ideas. I remember distinctly you actually called us 'Scare Mongers', saying the BSPA knew what they were doing and that we knew nothing. Everything we spoke of is now happening, We have different quality riders on the same averages, we have same quality riders in variable team positions that bear little resemblance to their CMA. infact, we have the worse ever situation in regards to averages. The only way to have some form of relevance to team strength, is for the BSPA to opinionate riders on their ability. Its an admission that the CMA now mean nothing. And true to form, you are of the same support to the BSPA as ever, and not understanding the problems that the teams have trying to assemble a team, is all the BSPA own doing.

How can you possibly know how teams: Leicester, Lakeside and Lynn ( The 3 'L's ) are going to figure until they have completed their squads. Talk about assumptions.........

Now that Swindon have named their full squad, they will be formidably opponents. Should figure strongly for play-off . Would suggest they are in the top three with Belle Vue and Poole ..

I think Dak is getting undeserved stick for something that wasn't his doing. It was Ford who created the situation and use an unfortunate accident as an excuse to strengthen Poole's Team. Dak has done nothing wrong. He was never going to go home before the season had ended, if he wanted to play golf then so be it.. The situation was all of Fords doing and any stones being thrown should be in his direction , and not at North.

'Scrapping the Barrel' is hardly the expression I would use here. Mads is the type of rider who generates excitement, and the fans love him. Here at Lynn we probably don't win much but we have a lot of fun, all the riders really enjoy racing our well renown track. Mads is not a gater, but he does try hard when the opportunity arises. Watching him ride the boards at Lynn is worth the admission alone. In this weakened league, Mads should be in his element. No he won't be hitting big scores, but watching score points the hard way is what speedway is all about. Mads is a confidence rider . he needs to be wanted and appreciated. I don't think he got a lot of that at Leicester, and on a track when you have to gate, his chances were stacked against him from the start. Scrapping the Barrel hardly, I say Leicester lost is our gain, What a wonderful inclusion for exciting racing .....

I thought we had already pointed out that points and averages had little to do with quality of the rider, as shown by your many lists. While the race format is so rider protected, we will never get a real indication of the riders through scores alone. So you going on about facts is never going to happen. The only issue we all agree on is the List should be destroyed...... Unless we can get some form of calculations that relates the difficulties of the riders scores, the averages are as much use as hard toilet paper.....