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No doubt.... I was thick enough to think, as a supporter, I was of value to the club, but at last Thursday I was shown exactly what they thought of the spectators. From now on, they wont be getting any more of my money...

You're missing the point here completely. Thursday night wasn't about Chris Holder, it wasn't about Troy Batchelor nor the track It was about the fans who believed for the first time in years we had a chance of putting one over our greatest rivals. Following on from a convincing away win the previous night, this was a wonderful opportunity to make a massive statement of intent. Beating teams like Poole is a terrific ego boost. The track wasn't good, I've seen far worse. but the attitude of C. Holder left nobody in any doubt he wasn't prepared to ride and therefore give the whole emphasis back to Poole. He never gave one thought to the fans who had spent their money to be there, Nor to what they wanted. All he was concerned about was his own feelings. Having convinced Batchelor to withhold his services they try to convince the rest, but failed miserably. We the fans, had to wait around for over an hour while Buster did his best to get the track racable. Not knowing then, that neither Aussie would be returning and hence gifting the league points to Poole. Had the supporters knew this, do you honestly feel they would have waited all night to see the remaining races with only half a team. Be real. No, as per usual the supporters were treated like mushrooms. It feels like nobody gives a damn of what the supporters feel. Holder and Batch's attitude was unacceptable. Ok the track was bad but to withhold their services need to be penalised. Losing to me has never been a problem, Have to say, we at Lynn are use to it by now. Honestly, Integrity, Endeavour and Commitment means everything. Lose if we have to, but lose with pride.... For 50 years I have supported the Stars, paid my money, and enjoyed the Downs as well as the Ups. I have visited most track in the country and met some wonderful people. But after Thursday, I made a decision not to go to another meeting, ....... While the likes of Holder or Batchelor are part of our team,,,,,,,, I would pay to watch lesser riders too.... Never have I seen such contempt shown to the fans as I did last Thursday....

Unfortunately, Lambert as Captain has to take on board opinions and views of his fellow riders, Lambert as a rider, had rode in 2 races and showed he was capable of getting results.. Because of his age and inexperience he was ram-roaded into objecting to ride on the back of the input from the 2 Aussies... Lambert was in a no-win situation. For that I I feel for him. His and Huckenbeck exclusion was totally the result of chaos in the pits., where leadership was non-existent. But no amount of goading should have tempted him into the spectators pen to confront an objector. He has to be more distant than that. Prior to this, there was some No-body at the pit gate giving his to'penneth about all the hanging about we had to endure, and again Lambert had to be restrained from going into the lions den. He needs to grow up and understand peoples frustration when things go wrong. Our season ended on Thursday night......... It now appears the promotions at Kings Lynn are clueless and gutless at making the right decisions. It was always my belief the Club was more important than the Rider,, Not any more.......By not making example of these riders, is like saying: F--k the supporters, the riders can do as they like. They should both have been issued with 28 day suspension for withholding their services. Probably then, they might considered the consequences of their behaviour, but while the promoters keep wiping their arses, nothing will ever change... What will happen the next time the track is not to their liking. ??????? Foot note:- I feel sorry for Lewis Rose, He's one of the good guys, who has attained another nasty injury. He has such terrible luck... Hope your recuperation goes well .

All the Aussies are like 'Peas in a pod', Really gone off them of late. There are a few exception to the rule but most are of the same. I don't have a problem with Batch getting hurt and pulling out of a meeting, but you would expect him to join in with his team mates and provide some encouragement in their hour of need. But he couldn't get away quick enough. Same with Holder, its all about him. This was an important match for the fans, one of the few chances we got of beating the mighty Pirates, But that was of no consequence to them Aussies, all they thought about was themselves. As for the IRR, that was a desperation ploy by the stand in Manager to cover our missing riders, thinking he was really injured. No, the sooner they're have gone the better. I would much rather we lose watching lesser riders with principals than bow to the ideas of these prima-donnas who think of nothing but themselves... Yes the track was rubbishe. but Only two riders refuse to ride.... Lets get this right.....

I've had a gut-full of this tainted sport, especially at Lynn. I've always had the greatest of respect for the work Buster has done for the sport he loves, but here come a time when enough is enough.. Never have I felt so insignificant as I did last night. We wasn't a consideration. Not by the riders nor the promotors. We had paid our money to go in and that's all we are there for. The attitude by some riders was unbelievable, cry babies you better believe it... The track was bad, but it was bad for everyone, not just for Chris Holder and Troy Batchelor . The track at Lynn has been bad all year. Last night was no different in that there was not one overtaking. We, the fans deserve better, We deserve honestly and above all we need to know the truth, even when its not good news... So, Buster, because of your inability to act in a responsible way and ban these trouble makers, than I will am left with little option but to bid you farewell. No way will my conscience allow me to support a club that treat their fans with such contempt. ...

Buster has to do more than apologise, he needs to make an example of those riders who last night brought our sport into disrespect... From what I witnessed last Chris Holder and Troy Batchelor should never be allowed to ride for the Stars again. Whilst Batch has an excuse because he fell off and probably hurt his wrist, I am in no doubt he will be guesting for Swindon tomorrow at Belle Vue, so the injury wasn't that bad. Bearing in mind the dire situation the team was in, he was changed and gone with not a care in the world. Holder on the other hand was as brazen as you like having a laugh with Middlo in the pits, while his fellow team mates were trying to resurrect some pride from the proceedings.... For both of them should be issued with 28 day suspension for withholding their services. This will stop them riding elsewhere and hopefully stop them from being the Prima Dona's they are. Ok, so what if we lose their presence in the team. I would much rather lose with integrity than allow them to dictate if and when they ride. Winning don't mean anything if its not done correctly. Any respect I had for either went last night. They can both go to Hell, before I pay to watch either again....

In all my time this was without doubt the greatest demolition, the sport has ever seen. If ever there a was occasion when the self destruct button was pressed, then it was last night. Having scored an impressive away victory the previous night, what could possibly happen to stop us gaining a double over our bitter rivals. Thinking before the start, how nice the place looked with the new shale, and that wonderful new electric scoreboard. With Rain in the air, I expected we will start on time, and the proceedings to flow. Batch won Heat 1 in an ultra quick time, but Kasprsak struggled to a halt, Heat 2 Rose won in another quick time and Shanes struggled. Lambert impressively won ht 3 but Starke struggled. A pattern is emerging. the times are getting slower, the races are spread out with only 3 finishers. Heat 4 Andersen beat Chris Holder from the gate to win, Chris give up on the second lap....Lambert again wins ht 5 with Kasprsak giving up . Heat 6 we are on a 5-1 when Batch hits trouble, Jorgensen takes over before coming to grief causing a 3 man pile-up. The track is deterriating before our very eyes. Holder refuses to come out for ht 7 and is excluded. There is mayhem in the pits nobody knows what going on. The night has turned into a nightmare. Buster has to take the lions share of the responsibility. He was to blame for the state of the track. Unofficially, We have been told the old shale reacted with the new stuff and went solid with no give. The Ref has to take some blame for the way the meeting was drawn out. Even a blind man could see the track was wrong, yet it took 4 people refusing to ride, before the Ref went to the pits to confront the problem. And lastly the riders have to take some blame as well. There were other people who struggled but it was Chris Holder who initiated the proceedings of not wanting to ride. Lambert who had 2 comfortable race wins was got at, else he would have continued. But it was so obvious the 2 Aussie couldn't give a damn for the sport, the fans or the fact this was an important meeting. They wanted out.... We fans had to wait over an hour for track work to be done, that should have been completed prior to the meeting, without one word of reason from the officials. They expected us to stand around and wait.. Eventually the meeting was completed, long pass the finishing time. The few people that remained went home in silence. this had been a knife through the heart of the sport. Never seen such shambles in all my life. I feel no urge left to ever go again. this was that bad... It appeared the senior riders were complaining of the track, yet the younger ones relished the conditions and put on a decent showing. Holder had Batch really went down in my estimation. Pity Chris didn't have the same attitude as his brother. Kasprsak , didn't like the track but he stayed the course and won a couple of races.. I won't comment on Lamberts antics, but he has to learn you never go into the spectators pen ..... whatever the reason.... Finally, tonight was probably the last meeting many will bother to go again. We fans were treated terribly, We didn't know anything, we were not told anything, and were expected to do as they thought fit. Such a shame because tonight could have been a wonderful time when we as a club get noticed...... We sure did that.....

What is it with our team Manager that he always wants to put our weakest rider in Heat 14. It's happened three times now....One of the important races of the night and inevitably we have to field, our weakest rider, Ayres to have his compulsory 3 rd ride. all because the Manager had changed reserve in heat 8. Putting Rose in Heat 8 means he had 2 rides on the trot. It would have been better all round to have left Ayres in heat 8 and put Rose in 14 when it would have been far more important to do well... Last night it could've back fired...

That's not going to happen, No doubt he'll see the season out here. Who know about nest year, he was annoyed that Matt Ford dropped him, but living down the south coast would suit his circumstances. But Chris is a proud man and wants to be where he is wanted. He is enjoying his time in East Anglia.... Took his time to settle but now reaping the rewards.... I hope he stays but I wouldn't bet on it......

Have faith , Even if KK scored plenty, I still cant see them scoring enough......

My thoughts are similar, I was thinking around the 50 - 40 mark plus Tactical ride... plenty in hand to secure those 3pts... The way things are, if Poole can get a point , they ill deserve it....

Its better when the sugar is stirred into Brandy or Scotch.

The posts on here are always good for a laugh, and the opinions sure do offer a variety of choices. Some are, just to wind people up, others are solely to troll, most opinions are from the heart, from those who can only see one team, but amongst all them you'll find some based on reality. Reading through this thread we had some weird and wonderful suggestions of what the score would be. Some were laughable, some were stupid, and some were ridiculous. This match was always going to be close, mainly because Poole haven't performed like one expects them too. With a weakened side, riders injured, the result of this match could have gone any way. It was always going to be close, one way or the other. We all expected Chris to fill his boots, but it was the solid performance of the Stars side that was the key to our success. Its a long time since we have sampled victory here, so you can rest assured it was thoroughly enjoyed... However it was achieved.. Tomorrow, the return fixture at Lynn, will be more decisive. Unlike others, I feel we are strong enough to overcome Poole's blighted team, and can see them having to use the TS to stay in contention.... If they can achieve an away point they'll do well....

After 10 heats you're really on the ball. And I thought you knew your speedway..????

I'd take that now, but It will be close......

Take the first number you thought off, multiply by the number of riders in a race, divide by the number of laps he does, then multiply by the number of teeth on the back sprocket, when you have this sorted, you'll probably you'll be nearer to the truth...

Correct, the 2 matches at home were disappointing, The Wolves match, we only had 4 riders available, and Belle Vue we used new 2 riders . hardly a normal comparison, against the two strongest teams in the league . Those 2 away matches were far better, in that we won at Somerset and performed way better at Wolves.

I understand the points argument you say about Holder, But there are 7 men in the team and that argument s could be proportioned against them all. True I expected him to score more than he has, but I also expected Lambert, Batch , Porsing and Rose to do so as well. Coming here after spending most of his working life in Poole was always going to be difficult for him, especially saying he was never comfortable on our track.. I believe Holder has at last come to terms with the Lynn set-up and results will get better. Probably it would be better to wait until the end of the season, before picking Chris out as the main reason people aren't happy with Lynn's performances.....

Joking aside, I think you're being a bit premature here mate. Probably Poole existed then , but Kings Lynn definitely didn't. Maury Littlechild and Cyril Crane, started work on the track back in 1964, with the first meeting in 1965 won by the impressive Terry Betts . Started league racing the following year.

I for one will be disappointed if we don't take the advantage we have of these two meetings. There has not been a better chance to put one over the Pirates than now. With the right attitude, these matches are there for the taking. Whether we do or not, is another matter !!!!

This discussion about the track is not about people lying, it all about opinions. Bit like Marmite really, some people love it and others not so. I must say I can see both sides of the argument. Always well prepared, and its unique shape creates many varied results. Massive advantage to be gained when knowing how to ride it. A good smooth rider at the front is very seldom caught.. Over the years have been to Monmore Green many times, but never completely satisfied with what I had seen. To me I prefer racing to be fast and flowing, not fast with sharp corners. Like I say its all down to opinions....

For the first time in many years I feel we can go to Poole and be confident of doing well. Partly because of the Pirates being weaker, plus the Stars are starting to show some form at last, this match should be interesting. We are more than capable of putting one over and coming away with a point or two. Our 3 heat leaders all go well at Wimborne Road. and with Poole checkered form and injuries of late, we should be able to take advantage of this time. Imagine taken 6 points off Poole in successive days . That opportunity don't come along very often. Final note: 2 or 3 yrs back, I travelled the 200 miles to Poole for the rain sodden Play-off, only to be greeted with a massive man made hole on the first corner. This match was never going to go ahead from the off. and as fans, not being told, we were treated like mugs. I said then I would never do that again. So in normal circumstances I would probably have gone tonight, but after the last time, I will not be going again.......ever......

I believe I'm right in saying the website is now run by Nigel Pearson and Co. No doubt he has this responsibility of many speedway clubs and all are updated on a strict timetable. It appears the Lynn website is updated Tuesday morning in readiness for Wednesday's match. Whatever we may think of this makes little difference, the timetable will continue until such time when decisions are made to the contrary.

It appears, I'm not so forgiving as most posters on here. We are looking for excuses of why we didn't perform, and in all honesty I feel riders like Cook and Lambert were a big let down. We didn't expect then to be challenging for honours but we did expect better than tailing off at the back. This was the pinnacle of this years racing, the biggest shop window you could ask for, and both reacted like 'Rabbits in the headlights' on the biggest stage of all. This has to go down to bad preparation. and attitude. It was never going to be easy, and any results would have to be fought, long and hard. and any ideas that this was like a normal meeting were in for a rude awakening... Robert did rise to the expected standard in his last race, but it was only equivalent of shutting the door after the horse had bolted. Had he shown this energy earlier probably we could have rescued the bronze medal. When Cook was interviewed on the Tele, he said the team were together and confident of doing well. they were there on Friday to watch a learn. He obviously didn't watch too much and learnt even less... We know Cook and Lambert are better riders than this and that is why I feel they let us down big-time... Full marks to Bomber and Worrall who can hold their heads up for at least making a fight of it, I always thought Bomber would be competitive from the experience he has gained over the years. but Worrall to me was our Star Performer. Never having rode on this stage before, he rose to the occasion to mix with the best. a brilliant effort. Had the others shown similar attitude we would've walked that 3rd place. There can be no joy in coming last in any competition, Yeah, some say we finished 4th in the world, better than some more distinguished countries, but we were only there by the luck of the draw and beating a injury savaged Aussie team, Surely there can be no celebration in that.....

I've got no problem with the Russians winning a place in the final, that they deserved. but all this animosity towards the Aussie's is surprising. They are the only country that collectively want to ride these shores. Take them away and the quality of our leagues will be reduced to nothing. Last night they struggled. Riding slow equipment and surprised by the opposition, they were up against it from the start. I don't blame Batchelor for his part in the slowing down, While Jokers are used, these antics will continue. But to rubbish the effort of the Aussies as a group to me is wrong Our league would be in S--t street without them.