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I honestly don't see the issue here. Peterborough had a choice and decided it would be best for the club to sanction the request, no doubt wanting to keep Jack Holder happy to ride for the Panthers. I see don't it as a problem. We cannot compete with the Polish money and any confrontation will always result in the British Club losing out. Please to see Jack was up-front about the whole situation. I must say I really rate this guy, who is far more sensible than his years. Just hope, as he get older, he don't become another winger like so many other Aussies .......

But it doesn't make it right. I get so annoyed rushing around to get there by half seven only to sit about 20 min waiting for the sun to go down........ I'm sure other people do as well... probably, even it results in some not even bothering......... As for years ago, the bikes then were totally different , in that they were not so fast and more controllable.......

I believe trying to compete with those other countries has been our biggest downfall. The three main reason are 1, Financial; 2, Fixed race Night/ Number of fixtures; 3 State of our tracks.. Some of these can to addressed, but the main issue is Money... We can never compete with the corporate involvement or the number the fans generated in other countries.. For this reason I feel it best we get our own house in an order where we can run at a sustainable level.....

I fail to see the logic of this meeting, am are apalled this was allowed to take place. The organisers don't seem to grasp the concept of the sport in that the sole purpose of putting on a meeting is to entertain the paying public. Leicester's race night will always represent a problem, trying to facilitate the crowded calender and the shortage of riders, but to put on a fiasco like last night was so embarrassingly unfair to everyone. Unfair to the Fans, unfair to the sport, unfair to Leicester, unfair to KL, infact unfair to all the teams and riders in the Premiership League. When this situation rises its head, there should be a planB to implement that would safe guard all concerned. Award the points to Leicester by all means and put on an alternative meeting instead. An individual meeting, or a handicap event or a 4 team effort. It wouldn't be hard to substitute this one sided affair and make it more interesting. At least the fans would go home happy and the Sport wouldn't have egg on its face like now. I was hoping this year would be the start of a new beginning for British Speedway, but it has turned out the worse for some time. Shortage of riders is highlighted as the main problem our sport faces and the BSPA has done nothing to remedy this. For any chance of surviving this sport needs a Major Overall. Reducing teams to 5 men would be a start. If teams are to use guests and RR then nominated days have to be used to avoid the constant clashes. It seems common sense rules the world.......... with the exception of British Speedway.....

These people, those KL fans, you mentioned, don't need reminding of Batch's injuries, we saw them every week, when he was in the side with pitiful scores. How could we forget ?? The only person who seems to have forgotten those dark days is Troy himself.,,, After all those adverse comments we receive from various corners saying how we were stupid to entertain him, we gave him the benefit of doubt, thinking he had turned the corner, But unfortunately all those comments have turned out to be true....... We should have listen to them, after all a Leopard very seldom changes his spots.....

Saturday meetings always create a lot of problems with fixture clashes. That's why I was surprised of Leicester insistence. But it illustrates the dire need to organise our leagues, too minimise the problems that are created. Leicester was once a much wanted fixture where supporter always went to away meetings between these two, But with only 2 of the Stars riding and the team made up of guests, makes the whole event a mockery. There's not a chance in hell of any Star's supporters going along to encourage the team, come to that I would have thought it wouldn't appeal to many Lions fans either... No wonder the sport is on its knees when meetings like this are arranged.....

No one is more disappointed than I at the way the situation with Holder and Batch has turned out. I was one of the few people out spoken in Batch's defence after such a terrible year. Many posters penned they would've drop him so bad was he. I didn't complain about his results this year, all I was said was he still had some way to go before he got back to the standard he once was. He got two pages in this weeks SS making out he was hard done by after what he had done , I was disappointed he didn't manage a single line of thanks after the way he was carried by the team last year. Probably Kings Lynn should have done what most would've done and got rid then. I've got no time for people who only think of themselves I'm a great believer in 'you reap what you sow' philosophy, and believe Batchelor has got his just deserts.... All the moaning in the world wont alter the way he behaved.,

THis whole thing about RULES and certificates is getting out of hand. Common sense is the basis of most situations and rules should only be used as a guide line. Nobody is wanting a rider to hurt himself , but also we don't want them using 'Rules' to manipulate a cop out door. Whatever the 'ins' and 'outs' of the Batchelor situation, he didn't come out of this with any credit. The biggest factor should have been his desire to help his team. Only Batchelor knows if he was pulling a fast one or not, only he knew whether he could ride his bike in the match without inflicting further damage. But he would have been far more use in the pits helping his teammates then doing a runner like he did. All this has done is highlight his personal approach to everything he does.... No rules would have taken that into consideration......

As informed by DWP earlier.....

I was quietly impressed last night of how our team performed against the 'in-form' team of the league. We now have a side of triers, riders who don't give up easily. Some of the races last night were top draw and eagerly contested. A few could have gone the other way, meaning the scores could have been even closer. I'm under no elusion of our overall strength, but even withstanding the strength of the top three, the remaining sides are all beatable. Given last night as purely an appetizer, each of the three new riders should only get better when they are dialled in to the new club. THJ was on borrowed machinery, Auty and MPT were nervous and anxious to impress. Anxiety got the better of both but it will get better.. Them, together with Lambert, Huckenbeck Jorgensen and Porsing, we should be able to hold our own against most teams... and give them all decent competition..... Things can only get better....... 'Don't let the sun go down '

Batchelor is in the SS spouting how he upped his average by 2 pts this year, but he doesn't mention how last year he was rubbish and was carried by the Stars. He was an 8pt rider who dropped his average to 5+ so to be back to 7 is nothing to brag about. He's not producing the goods that was expected from a GP rider....

Hi Sidney, you OK?? Pleased to see your team doing well...... No one is in any doubt about the strength of Swindon, and yes I thought the Stars did well to stay in contention that long. 2 quick fire 5-1's puts a false impression of the scores, and make people think it was easy. But it was far from that.. Probably against a lesser side we might have scraped a point,......

OK, Elton John

Was well impressed with Swindon as a team, each of their riders showed an appetite to win, and it surprised no-one with their win. Didn't like to see Doyle get injured again, but he was reckless in his pursuit to overtake and only has himself to blame. Fortunately his absence was adequately covered with IRR as to not weaken the team. But getting guests to cover a prolonged absence may become harder. I was well impressed with the new look team,. Each tried really hard and will obvious get better. Last night was just a settling in stage. I am in no doubt we will win more than we lose, and watching them try is what its all about... Considering Swindon are the form team and offer the strongest challenge at this time I was impressed we held them level to heat 10 , whence their big hitters were always going to make the difference. Huckenbeck, Jorgensen and Simon Lambert all performed above their expected level, Probably not in every race, but each of the new ones showed great promise. Seeing THJ in heat13 was a real eye opener, showing his liking for the boards and keeping the Swindon pair on their toes... Probably the biggest disappointment was the scoring of Robert Lambert. Obviously not fit and hurting maybe, he will have to step up if he is to succeed as in our new No1.

It appears you wont learn.. Buster had nothing to do with the way Holder acted. Supporter don't pay good money to come and watch Buster ride round on a tractor, they pay to watch riders like Holder ply their skills If Buster acted like an idiot, walked about naked, drove the tractor round backwards, it should have had no bearing on how Holder behaved. He is a professional rider well paid to ride his bike., Unlike his fellow riders it was only Holder who refused to ride. Whatever the faults that Buster done is a separate issue.... Under your philosophy, A man in court for shooting a stranger, his defence would be, Sorry your honour, but it was the shopkeeper at fault. It he hadn't sold me that gun I wouldn't been able to shoot him... An amazing thought.... Holder once was the pinnacle of his trade. He stood proud as a role model for all to follow. He had a stature of responsibility and his opinion was valued. He should have been promoting the sport and using his image to overcome any petty issue like track conditions, not acting like a spoilt child Never would you imagine him to be doing back biting comments and sarcasm on social media. it was thought he was far too intelligent than that. Over the past years his form has suffered from that man who once ruled the world. I take note of the upheaval he has suffered and the stress that accompanies it . But he is a shadow of the rider he once was. Where once he would fight for every position, now its whatever he gates, it'll do. It hurts me to see the demise of a rider I once thought had an exceptional talent. And what has happened recently only highlights that nobody knows what the future may hold.....

2 fellow Lynn supporters were having a bet on how low Batchelor score would be against Swindon. His attitude made this point so obvious .. Pleased Buster put a stop to it .....

You obviously have a problem with all of this. No other rider would have done what Holder and Batchelor did. If there were a problem with the track safety, then there is a protocol of how to behave. The procedure is to complain to first your Team manager, then Team Mates/ Opposition riders and Manager/ Referee. Then a meeting with all concerned, Group Decisions made , Vote taken. Conclusion.... It was decided by both teams, to continue with the meeting. Holder and Batchelor behaviour was undefendable.. Even his own Brother didn't back him up... From somebody who was there, I was annoyed at the delays caused by track preparation and objections. Had the riders voted at this meeting with the Ref, enblock to refuse to ride the track, I would have said fair doos and excepted that the track was it blame. We would have gone home knowing the match to be played another day. But to hang around for over an hour waiting on Buster to do all the required remedy work was no joke. Then, to add insult to the fire, we then find out our two top riders had done a runner. So in your blinded direction, trying to relieve Holder and Batch any responsibility , I suggest you smell the coffee and realise this whole episode is down to the behaviour of Chris Holder who thought he was above all others and do as he liked. He tried hard to get others to back him, but it was only the rat Batchelor who would follow the piper. Seeing all you others, trying to justify Holder's behaviour makes my blood boil..... He choice this direction, which has supplied him with a wonderful standard of life. One with many highs as well as lows. To see him ridicule others on twitter, and 'likes' anybody stupid enough to voice a pinioned comment, make us realise just how shallow his man has become. I once held him in high esteem as a man determine to succeed, and applauded loudly at his World Champion success. But them days are long gone. He now is only a shadow of the person he used to be, both as a man and as a rider.....

You are obviously a 'Chapman basher'..... I get the impression you want to blame him for everything, it was probably Buster's fault the election turned out the way it did. , but you are way off the mark in your accusations. Buster was not in the pits with the team, all he was in charge of was the tractor.. He assumed Allitt and Lyons were doing the Team Managing. Its very difficult to defend the deployable actions of someone like Batchelor.. Its been said, he packed his van and left without saying a word of his departure. It only came to light when he was expected to race again, but by then, he had long gone.., So I don't imagine Buster excepted anything, I don't think he even knew of the doctors certificate....

Lets imagine Buster released Holder and Batch with just enough time to find another club. That club 'lets say Club P' signed both of these riders to replace 2 others, who were in turn released through no fault of their own. So now we have the same situation as we had with Holder and Batch, but this time the 2 riders without a club, have done nothing wrong and don't deserve to be treated in that way. So at least this way the two riders without a job are the ones who created all the problems....... But instead of Buster getting stick for the timing of his actions, I wonder if 'Club P' would receive the same persecution ???? Its sometimes best to look at the bigger picture rather just your own implications....

In all my time, I beleieve I'm right, when I say KLS are probably the one genuine clubs for loyality in whole of British Speedway. You only have to look at results to see we have never brought in Bandits just to go glory hunting. We have always thought it was wrong to drop a teammate purposely to go trophy hunting. We at Lynn always thought the team we started with would go through the season and only in extreme circumstances or injuries would there be any changes. We always treated the riders as part of the team. There are not many teams who can say that. At the end of the day it's what important, Too many clubs are only interested in winning and that's the biggest problem. The rules allow people to ride roughshod over others just to win... As for Holder and Batch, my last comment is: 'YOU REAP WHAT YOU SOW'

(A) I wont have that..... I was at the supporters meeting when Holder was introduced as our new signing. He got a fantastic response from the crowd who were overwhelmed with this addition. It was said that he was the only person capable of filling Niels absence, The ball was firmly in Holders court. All he had to do was turn up and show his enthusiasm. We didn't expect immediate results but we didn't expect the substandard performances he was producing. We thought give him time, after all, class is permanent whereas form is only temporary. All he had to do was persevere, keep his nose clean and the rewards would come. But he couldn't do that even... ( Nobody there that day, will say the track was good. and yes Buster has to take that responsibility. But there are ways of doing things right. Once the referee had a meeting with the riders, he then made a decision. The riders have to agree enblock. it should be a majority vote to ride the meeting or cancelled it. The riders decided to ride, but Holder and Batch wanted out. What they did was TOTALLY wrong.. There's no excuse.... whichever way you look at it...

This Loyality thing goes both ways. If Holder had come to Lynn with the right attitude he would have been looked after for good and become one of there very own. The fans would have adored him and excepted his bad nights. But when he only came as a stop gap, thinking he will come and be back a t Poole soon it was never going to work. You only have to look at NKI and see the adulation he has from the Stars Fans and that's because he came and wanted to win every race. The fans appreciated that and took him to their hearts. Niels can now do no wrong, and will be welcomed back at the earliest opportunity... The ball was firmly in Holders court, but he let everyone down, including himself.... His 10 yrs of adulation was destroyed to 10 mins ....

Swindon needn't worry, if there is a remote chance this meeting will be on. Having cancelled the previous two, Buster and the Fans need this to go ahead., Without the fear of riders walking out, Buster can gamble the meeting will go ahead. In the scale of things, the result isn't that important. Even with our strongest team we would have struggled to hold the Robins in current form. So the meeting will definitely go ahead.. Only a little rain forecast later, so no worries. We will ride and we will fight, we won't complain and will cheers loudly for all riders prepared to fight for the cause.. The result is not that important........ But having a Speedway Club is....

It seems the senses of opinion is that Buster has done the right thing. With the exception of a few , and I mean a few, it is only Poole posters who disagree with what has happened. As per normal they can't see further than the end of their noses. All they are concerned with is their own little castle. I was hoping both Holder and Batch would apologise seeing the error of their ways, and we could put this nasty episode behind us. But they believe their stance was vindicated Buster was left with NO option.... This was a decision made for the good of our sport, not just for Kings Lynn. Their is no place for riders like them in any team.. including POOLE.

Speechless !!!!!. Can't say I'm surprised. You cant have riders dictating, when, if and how they ride... No rider is bigger than the sport. It was obvious Buster had to do something to regain some confidence from the fans.... Concerned about THJ though, don't think he will be good enough, but the choices are few and far between. We will have to wait and see......