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One of the best VHS I've got is when it was 'pissing' down at Coventry, when Kenny Carter won the British Champs with a dodgy leg. I loved that meeting for all the wrong reasons. Even in the adverse conditions the crowd was massive, Some of the riders threw their toys out pram not wanting to ride, while others showed application was everything. Dave Lanning was superb commentator, Speedway as it use to be... But the last heat was brilliant with Carter coming from the back beat the Collins bros. Lovely memories....

The chances are we will be beaten tonight, but the two meetings you need to worry about are next week , Wednesday at Poole and the return the next day at Lynn. Then we'll see the benefit of us not having agent Holder in camp.

It would be unfair to label the problems of that Poole match to lack of track preparation. We all are aware the problem was caused by using new shale that didn't mix with that we use to have. Hindsight is a wonderful thing and I'm sure Buster wouldn't have gambled, had he been aware of the problem. We had moaned for some time about the Gate and go racing and blamed it totally on the shale. But since that Poole meeting, the racing has been much improved, and long my it continue. I would never label Buster with that lack of track preparation, I always think he spends too much time on the tractor... As with all issues surrounding materials, it is governed by cost, and affordability.

Sometimes you talk utter rubbish. You see everything black and white. Unfortunately life is not like that. The speedway in this country is in such a precarious position that Promotor and Riders need to be on the same side. Every argument and counter decision has a cost to bear, and usually its the promoter who has to foot the bill . Each called off meeting must cost thousands in lost revenue and payments, When Buster has a bust-up like the Poole match and with Rory last year, nobody wins, the disgruntled fans go home not having seen a match, the riders go home not earning a full package, but it is Buster who has to foot the bill. Now, surely even you can see the problems situation like this cause. How times have changed. Looking back to a Good Friday morning (March 1975) Kings Lynn were due to ride against Leicester, in the Border Trophy. During the night, and the following morning the Snow came. the roads were blocked, and some the riders failed to arrive. World Stars like Terry Betts, Trevor Hedge, Ray Wilson Dave Jessup all turned up ready to race. Team were made up with reserves but the show went ahead . There were never any thought of the meeting being cancelled. We had snow on the infield and round the boards but the rider just got on an rode. That day, 2000 people went home happy, having seen the introduction of the new sensation, Michael Lee. The riders today seem to forget the fans, yet without them there is no sport. The bust-up with Rory shouldn't have happened. Rory had just survived a horrendous life threatening accident, that no doubt played on his mind. probably he was the wrong man to ask? Had Rory been in Buster shoes, probably he would have thought differently. I sure Rory could have rode round slower to suit the conditions. The same with Holder and Batch, had they had thought about the fans, non of the trouble would have happened. As we have all seen, the fans are drifting away from the sport because of the contemptuous way they are treated. There're not many left, and while riders think they are bigger then the sport, the trend will continue. The sport has to put the fans first... and if that means riding in poor conditions then so be it.....

We will see !! Should maked decent tele.... I don't expect to win, but it won't be the walkover some predict....either....

Whatever the ins and outs of this fixture, it will be a tough ask for everyone. Be it the Riders,Track staff, the Medic, the Stewards, Shop and Bar Workers besides the fans. I don't suppose much thought has been given to the kiddies, but at least they don't go to school the next day.... Once upon a time a fixture against the all conquering Wolves would have had an air of inevitability about it , but our fortunes have changed of late, and we are now able to compete. I'm not saying we will definitely win, but I will say we will put up a fight. Whether we will or lose will depend on small margins, and that is what makes it interesting...... Would like to think we will get something from this extravagancer........

Firstly, I can assure you I'm not delusional in any way. I am well aware of Busters involvement in most of the arguments. Buster for one, is acutely aware that fans come through the gate, pay their money and expect to see speedway racing. The sport is not a charity and bills need to be paid . All issues, surrounding arguments with Buster, is normally related to the financial side of the business. If the promotions cant make the venture pay, then the club will close.... Argument with Riders like Schlein, Holder and Batch will always create conflict, them thinking only of themselves and all their arguments are centred around personal opinions, Never once do the fans come into their thoughts.... People like yourselves have short memories. It was Buster, who no doubt , footed the bills to bring each of these riders to Kings Lynn hoping their expertise would reap rewards for the club.,. I would imagine Buster has given them far more than they have given to the club. And yet you still think they did no wrong. I think it's time you woke up and see the real world. If British Speedway relied on the likes of the 3 mentioned above , our sport will be dead years ago....

There is no night in question. as you say.. I'm well aware of Buster's philosophy, and his argument with Rory, that he shared with all and sundry, But that doesn't excuse Schlein for his comments he has made. He cant use a impetuous argument with Buster as a be-all factor, for casting opinions about the club, after all the good things the people of Lynn speedway did for him. Fair enough, he may well have fallen out with Buster, but it was the supporters and fans who dug deep to help him in his time of need. Now, if you think Schlein is justified for giving them comments, my opinion of you is that your as selfish as that self opinionated Aussie...

With all Schlein's grovelling and backing of his Aussie pals of late, imagine how he's going to explain a good score on a track that is so bad. so hopefully he continue his barren run and blame it all on a badly prepared track. These comments Schlein has made in support of Holder and Batch has left a real bad taste in my mouth. When Rory was badly injured, no club or individuals did more for him than Kings Lynn Stars . They gifted him a testimonial , they put on a pay night with the fans and the collections were never ending. What a pity he don't remember these important facts, rather than lower his persona to that of the other whinging Aussies...,

In principle I think the double header is a good idea. but in practise its not always good business. Because the time tends to get dragged out, double headers are best done on a Sunday afternoon and evening. Starting at the same time (7-30pm) makes it a late night. The ref will need to keep it rolling, with hold-ups kept to a minimum. It is expected Wolves will use RR for Masters and that can easily add 10-15 mins to a schedule when rider take consecutive rides... Everything will always need to fall I place to complete a meeting in 90 mins. 10min interval and track grading, will mean starting the second match at 9-30. the earliest finish will be gone 11pm. All the time used for re-runs, accidents , R/R fence repairs will only add to that time. We only need the sun to show its head and the schedule will be shot to bits.. On soon as its gets late, people will start to leave. Raising the admission to £25, although understandable, is a cost some cant afford, so I'm not convinced it is a good idea. I understand the logic but am weary of the success. I would have thought a 7pm would have been far more suitable start time in view of the program. I've lost count of the number of meetings I've attended, but I can count the ones finished in 2 hours on one hand. Whatever time it starts it's going to be a long night.....

In principle I think the double header is a good idea. but in practise its not always good business. Because the time tends to get dragged out, double headers are best done on a Sunday afternoon and evening. Starting at the same time (7-30pm) makes it a late night. The ref will need to keep it rolling, with hold-ups kept to a minimum. It is expected Wolves will use RR for Masters and that can easily add 10-15 mins to a schedule when rider take consecutive rides... Everything will always need to fall I place to complete a meeting in 90 mins. 10min interval and track grading, will mean starting the second match at 9-30. the earliest finish will be gone 11pm. All the time used for re-runs, accidents , R/R fence repairs will only add to that time. We only need the sun to show its head and the schedule will be shot to bits.. On soon as its gets late, people will start to leave. Raising the admission to £25, although understandable, is a cost some cant afford, so I'm not convinced it is a good idea. I understand the logic but am weary of the success. I would have thought a 7pm would have been far more suitable start time in view of the program. I've lost count of the number of meetings I've attended, but I can count the ones finished in 2 hours on one hand. Whatever time it starts it's going to be a long night..... Edit: Posted this on the wrong thread. Have since copied to Lynn v Wolves Double header....

I'm all for riders having their say, and if the track was suspect then the riders have the right to refuse to ride. But it needs to be done as a group decision. Single riders can't be allowed to dictate if and when they ride... After a group decision it was decided to carry on with the meeting. Chris lost all his respect for the way he acted. He could have voiced his concern and continued his riding. Nobody was asking him to do himself harm. There were only 2 accidents that night....... Nobody else stuck up for Holder and agreed with him... Following on from the previous nights success at Poole, this was the biggest crowd of the season. All paying good money to see the Stars do the double over their fieriest of rivals. The last thing they wanted to see was their top men pull out of the meeting. Any chance of success disappeared with Holder and Batch's attitude... Not once has Holder mentioned the fans or apologised to them, all he is concerned about is his arguments with Buster. Like I said, he has lost all my respect, If he rides in UK again then so be it, but he wont be getting any of my money.....

Cometh the hour, cometh the man....... Tonight Robert Lambert was majestic, never have I seen him so dominant. From the gate or from the back, it made little difference. His pass on King in heat 10 was so reminiscent of Michael Lee in his prime, tracking the rider in front at speed, following his high line before straightening up quicker to get he drive pass when only inches away, Brilliant. A awesome performance. This should be the marker that Lambert is judged by. No more low scores, he is capable of double figures every time round AFA.... This was a tremendous team performance, Led by Lambert and ably supported by THJ, each of our riders wanted to do their bit. MPT was always involved. last from the tapes in each race, but the speed he generated, one has to ask what gearing he was using??? Must be frustrating to manage but brilliant to watch.... After the first few heats, this was racing as it should be. Every interviewed rider was complimentary of the track. Each gave it a real go. The scores don't tell all the story, there were positional changes in most heats. In heat 14, we were 5-1 down, then 4-2 up, then 3-3, followed by a 5-1 up and eventually a 3-3. All riders were covered by the proverbial blanket. Heat 10 another exceptional race when Jorgensen could have finished second only to be placed 4th such was the closeness of the racing.... The only disappointment was the size of the crowd. No doubt when word gets about the quality of the racing, those stay at home fans will return. Brilliant Night, terrific racing, even the result went our way... Lets have more of the same Buster.....

I'll take that now. . This match will not be easy, especially with Somerset guests Grajczonek and Heeps. As we saw last week they go really well round AFA. For us to succeed we will need all riders scoring goods points. Probably this is the meeting when all the work and changes bear fruit, when team effort comes to the fore, and the top riders lead from the front. The big difference between this year and the ones previous, is we don't have someone like Neils winning in heats 13 and 15. For a team to be successful we have to regularly provide winners to those heats. I think the time is now right for Robert to step up to the plate and be that man.... Whether we win or lose tonight, will no doubt rest on Roberts shoulders. Being Capt. and No1 is all very well, its a privilege positon, the leader and pinnacle of the team, so its only right he is the person to win those important heats..... If he can, we will win, and if he don't then we will lose..... Whether it was Terry Betts, Michael Lee, John Louis, Richard Knight, Mark Loram, Jason Crump or Niels Kristian Iversen, when they were Captain, they all had to step up to that plate. I have no doubt Robert is more than capable of doing this on a regular basis...... His time has come....... PS. A big advantage for the Stars is that Jim Lynch is the Lions Team Manager, and we all saw his decision making on Monday night.!!!

I don't think any match is easy anymore and this will be as difficult as ever. Judging by their performance on the tele last night, the Lions are more than capable of winning at the AFA. I would like to think we could end our barren spell by winning this match but it won't be easy. The new European U19 champion, Robert Lambert should receive a warm welcome. Wouldn't it be nice if he could celebrate with a maximum tonight...

An enjoyable meeting, where the only winner was POOLE ..... As for Jim Lynch, TM don't get an easier decisions than that....... So bloody obvious.....

When I heard this meeting was cancelled, I just assumed it was Buster's fault.

Appreciate the information. Hopefully his form will continue on from Belle Vue.....

I find that an irrelevant question. That's the main issue with decision making of this sport. The thought is not about which Team, all thoughts should be directed to the whole concept.....

Unfortuantely the BSPA never seem strong enough to reinvent the sport for what it is. We make plans to suit Clubs and Riders without any thought of sustainability of the sport or of the fans. We need to sort out the British scene to suit the British people, when hopefully the fans will be able to connect with the teams. Looking at the riders who partake, we only have a handful of the top riders left, so losing them would not be a great lost. We don't have enough riders, which see too many double-uppers doing the rounds. Yes its a good payday for the riders but does little for the sport, with fixture clashes and guests. So we reduce the teams to 5 or 6 members instead. Lets look at one league run on a North V South basis. These two leagues to run on specific days North on Sun, Mon & Tues; South on Wed, Thurs & Fri ( purely for demonstrating purpose) . then there could be D/U but only as a last resort.. Fixtures to be more regular ( every week) Hopefully this would generate more local derbies: ( Peterborough, Ipswich, Rye House, Kings Lynn) where fans would more likely travel to away meetings... End of season Play-off would bring both divisions together. Am trying to look at the situation logically. We cannot complete with the likes of Poland and Sweden so why try? This could be the last chance to get the sport back on a level footing.......

After all the trials and tribulation this track had, it is gratifying to know the end product is one of excellence. When there is a blank canvas and a blank cheque it is little wonder the venue is as good as can be. If we could have similar creations for others clubs our speedway could/would be far better. It is rewarding to hear good comments about the usability of the track and the 2 main men who oversee the design want to walk about with their heads held high.... Inwardly, I thought we could do well, like most other teams have done. We have seen may changes this year in personnel, We don't have the big hitters any more but we have tremendous spirit within the club and that, sometimes is far more important . Recent philosophy how I judge teams and their chances of success, is to evaluate each riders ability to score 6 points each. If each can do that the chances are, someone will exceed that enough to get the remaining points required for a win. Last night was a good highlight of that thinking. All but one rider achieved the 6 pts target. As much as I like to reach the play-off's, I think is will be a bridge too far. Seeing the team fight for every point is far more enjoyable than watching one sided meetings. It was pleasing to see Porsing in the points last night and hope his confidence increases as the meeting come thick and fast. I don't hold out much hope at Wolves on Monday, but rest assure we will fight for each point. Leicester next week will be the big one. Having not won for sometime this is a mountain we can climb,

100% agree.. But in this case, 12 riders, and the referee thought the track was fit to race. So the point in question, is not directed to the track being unfit, but to the riders who were unfit,,, Full Stop!!

Having just finished reading the whole 48 pages of this thread, it becomes so apparent of the different sides and opinions posted. Most of the posts / poster condemn Holder actions 100% and feel he was totally wrong in his actions . There are some who try to justify his behaviour trying to blame others, but they are mostly Poole supporters who only sees the real world through the blue tints... There has never been an authoritive support for Holder or Batch from any quarters, so therefore one has to assumed, they feel they acted inappropriately. This sad state of affairs was only caused by the attitude of two men, thinking they were above reprise. The damaged it has caused is mindful. Apart from losing the services of two of our top riders it has also destroyed people belief in the sport. There can be NO justification of their actions These are just 2 selfish riders who have come over here to learn their trade, propelled them to world status, and then Kick us down when we didn't comply to their ideas. No whatever repercussions they receive, you can rest assured they deserved it... I don't believe all Aussies have the same selfish pattern as these two, but there're a few more out there, You don't need to look very far....

In this world there are people who do, and there are those who don't. In all walks of life, there are far more of those who don't, who just sit on their arses and judge those who are prepared to get up and do the job. Thankfully Buster is one of those who does. He's a worker, he's a grafter who is prepared to get his hands dirty.. He is in a no win situation whatever he does, because punters will always blame the boss man. when events don't go the way they were expected.. The BSPA must be the most self centred organisation on the face of the earth. All the members do is look after their own interest.. Sod the sport what about my club??????? Buster is like a breath of fresh air. in the sense he is prepared to take on the committee and fight for what's right. No he don't get everything right, but his heart is in the right place. I cant think of anyone better in the BSPA who could, or want this job. Having read some of the rubbish the ' SpeedwayFanatic,' has posted, how he has the cheek to start a thread castigating the effort of Buster Chapman, to me is an insult. You may not like some of the things he does but Buster Chapman does more for British Speedway than anyone else in this country., If 'SpeedwayFanatic', has based his opinion totally on the 'Folder and Thatch' situation, than your even a bigger fool than I took you for.,

What is it with clowns like you two? You really are amongst the thickest people around. You post such utter crap without an ounce of sensibility, and actually like each other posts. Truly amazing....... Thank god all Poole supporter aren't like you. Meeting people like you would turn me off speedway for good.......