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No you are right iris the 3 elite, plus Farndon Crutcher ect) personally out of the list i would have Bomber half way the other two in the bottom half.

Craven the cream dont know how high on the list the three you mentioned would be?

Zorro- Magnus Zetterstrom (no idea why he was called that?) Malc Holloway- mad Wellie malc was a farm hand and went straight to Milton keynes with his wellies on. Tony Davey- shrimp odvious .

Neil Evitts, Martin Dugard.

Bill Kitchen does anyone have any info on him? top class rider, 3 world finals at Wembley. I think one of them there was a gap because of the war.

Steve was good Merv a great national league rider and the league was a hard one.Merv janke i liked i also liked mick mckeon.

When did you start going 2011? not a problem the difference is i see the riders alot of them anyway thats good anough for me.SCB if i ever want to know something i will give you a shout as you are the exspert. Arguement about what Cookie not being funny what is it to do with you anyway? did i say i was knowledgeable dont think so.

My knowledge of speedway is certainly on par with you but that wouldnt take a lot.How long have you been watching speedway 2minutes?.Agree with you about the Lagutas i like both of them theyre are others.The ones i picked were just random choices Woffinden certainly Kennett i believe deserves to test himself against the best and he is british.You did make me chuckle,you probably didnt even see a one off final you can always have a look on you tube.

.Crutcher of course didnt mention him because i didnt see him had a superb record.Wouldnt disagree with your other choices chunky we forgot WIGGY god bless him.

Thats fine Oldace we will agree to differ a. .

Sorry i didnt include 1962- 64 Oldace a gap in service makes it even a more remarketable achievement for Soren.

Its not foolish Oldace its my opinion only, and i am not arrogant anough to presume i am right..As you have your opinion i say it is a Closed shop you say it isnt are you foolish for feeling that NO of course not its only debate .Oldace its only a opinion its not gospel,you are adamate and i respect that Crump Hancock Hampel Gollob Lindgren Bjerre harris Sayfutdinov Holder Pedersen Jonsson Lindback (12 riders plus Ward i would be surprised if theyre are many ommisions from that next year.Does that leave 1 spot for wild cards does that in my humble OPINION only leave 2 spots? Who cares Oldace you are right its not worth worrying about.

Mine are the following and alot are missed shows years of continuous service and Sheffield in this respect were amazing. P.Craven belle vue 1952-63 K.Middledich poole 1950-62 (1957 poole closed for a year) N.Middledich poole 1975-84 E.Boocock halifax 1965-74 N.Boocock coventry 1965-76 Ron Mountford coventry 1957-68 P. Smith poole 1965-77 C.Morton belle vue 1973-90 A.Haley sheffield 1965-78 B Paulson sheffield 1965-74 Reg Wilson sheffield 1970-84 D Wyer sheffield 1969-80 B.Larsson sheffield 1965-74 M.Keen swindon 1965-75 S.Sjosten belle vue 1967-75 Ray Wilson leicester 1968-76 N.Storer leicester 1968-75 R.Henry mildenhall 1976-86.

Maybe that tells us about the overall standard? 1 new rider from the whole of the world all i say is the way it is new blood is not getting in.If he Llung qualified fair play to him but did Ward not qualify once?The qualifying series now and the under 21s is unbelievable it is so exspensive going to places like Latvia why?The bottom line is 13 guaranteed places everyyear? is that NOT a closed shop.Your point is spot on about Llung, and as you have said and i Harris Bjerre and co would qualify anyway but they would still have to do it and others would get a chance.I would like say a 8 or 10 pool of riders picked on form overall in europe and potential against the bottom 8 in the series.Would that not be great for speedway? what a way to finish a season.Most riders picked the public would agree on i actually think the sport would benefit my 8 maybe would be Batchelor, Schlein, Pawlicki, Janowski, Sundstrome Miedzinski Kennett Vaculiev.

Add Louis E Boocock Pratt Kennett Kilby Younghusband Haley Reg Wilson some strength in depth British talent.

Best read ive had in a longtime, the 3 great n.z legends article was great, Gary Petersen as well.Got the Ray Wilson dvd as well worth the 16 quid for the 2 Ashby v Wilson races alone great interviews with Ray as well.

Thats fine oldace,i hope you enjoy your speedway this year.

Got it today what a brilliant magazine,nearly half way through already hats off ive loved reading every issue and i have everyone of them.Also got the Ray Wilson dvd chuffed to bits with it a terrific tribute to a great rider.

Know of course it isnt easy, it shouldnt be but most of the fringe riders outside the top 8 would more and likely qualify anyway.Would be fairer though lets be honest oldace every gp are the top 16 riders in it NO (ex Lung).I believe the way it is at the moment it is getting stale and the romance of the underdog is not there anymore.You still didnt answer is it in your opinion fair that say 12 or 13 riders automatically get in the next years series?.

You have given up but you have responded,just answer simply why should the riders 9th to 16th automatically be in it the next year?.You say about qualifying fair anough but me and others have pointed out it is harder to be ousted from the series the FACTS are there in front of you.You are thinking about qualfying only not about is it fair for riders not to drop out.therefore maybe createing a chance to a newcomer think of it from that angle.

Your opinion i respect that no problem.

All riders outside the top 8? should have to qualify dont you see that Oldace everyyear?.Say if Pedersen comes 9th why should he automatically get in it the next?.All these qualifiers all over the world what a waste of money exspense total nonsense.At least in the old days you got eliminated on your own terms i no it could be brutal but it was the same for everyone These qualifiers also the u21s how much does this cost? i dread to think to me a total waste of money.A better way of doing it for me would be the top 8 qualify 2 other spots open injury or someone being unlucky.Then there would be 6 fresh spots available everyyear the bottom 8 in the series against say another 10 nominated riders reconised as the best in the world on there form in europe and potential.Maybe have a four meeting series with the best qualifying and if the old guard get there on merit fine.The exspense of these qualifiers must be immense but something needs to change dress it up how like it is a closed shop.

What changes to the sport would you like to see happen? i would like the fans to have more of a voice more debate.The world championship to be a open shop once more.But the sport shows no sign of moving forward and i am sadly resigned to that now.

Old ground Oldace you must be blind if you think it isnt a CLOSED SHOP,Janowski a prime example he might get a place when he is 26 a career could be over by then to late.Open it up for EVERYBODY not a select few.

Decent see him for Poole as well as Halifax talented JANkOWSKI of Hackney was flying one night at Swindon got a 12 pt max i think? also he rode well in THE 1980 wtc in poland.