Star Lady

Spot on, far too many tails trying to wag the dog. Unless and until all promoters realise that fans are the biggest part of a club the sport is doomed. Top riders can whinge all they like but if the terraces are empty it's just so much hot air.

Probably still end up having double headers in August tho.

and exactly how do you suggest clubs pay the rent for the weeks when they don't have a meeting. Landlords will not be happy to rent the stadia for a mere 7 or 8 weeks a year. But hey ho the top name riders will be happy so sod all the clubs that can't bow down to their demands.

Mr Doyle seems to have ignored the fact that young riders do not ride in Sweden and Poland and therefore have to get their experience and perhaps more importantly money in the UK. Fixed nights might well suit the top riders but surely they would limit the number of meetings young riders could participate in. Especially if fixed nights result in some clubs closing or going NL standard. Still I doubt he's worried about that now.

I didn't misunderstand at all. Kevin Doolan, Shane Parker Ryan Sullivan Jason Crump etc have made a contribution yes, no argument but had they not come to the UK I very much doubt they would have made a living let alone achieved what they have if they stayed in Oz. Well Holder has made a contribution this season, pretty sure it's not to the benefit of the sport tho.

Name the Brits that have ridden in the Aussie leagues then

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If that's their attitude no we don't need them. Let them find another training ground on their path to the GPs

Sorry but that does not make it OK. If he felt a bit dizzy at any point he should have sought medical advice and would have been withdrawn from the meeting. Riders cannot whinge and moan about dangerous tracks and then put themselves and others in danger because they want to ride regardless. Before you ask I'd say the same about any rider.

Will Jack Holder be over his dizzy spells?

So riders won't ride on a dangerous track but are perfectly happy to ride on the same track when one of them is having dizzy spells. Is it any wonder that fans have little sympathy when riders whinge.

Lucky I got so close lol There ya go then, query answered. Once again by fans rather than the club

Think I read he crashed in Sweden yesterday. I could be wrong tho. Where's R& R when you need him

私はこれが英語を話すフォーラムだと思った I can use translation programmes too

Porsing rode in Sweden because their rules regarding concussion are not as strict as those in the UK. Porsing fell last week, banging his head and withdrawing from the meeting with yet another concussion (he has been out for quite a while with the after effects of an earlier concussion). In the UK that is a mandatory 9 day suspension. Quire rightly so IMHO (I personally think for a 2nd and subsequent concussion it should be longer but hey ho). Therefore it matters not one iota when the Swedish match was programmed he would not have been allowed to ride in the UK, and I believe his manager said that ban finishes on Thursday. EDIT Beat me to it GRW. I do agree all countries should have the same rules but if others do not take concussion issues seriously (and they don't appear to) the UK should go it alone on this one.

Why can't Chris drive Jacks van out to Poland, he's not exactly overworked at the moment

It amounts to the same thing, fans were short changed. What the sport needs to do is learn from this and Lynn last week and ensure it can not happen again. I won't hold my breath tho.

Just tweeted King's Lynn Speedway‏ @KLSpeedway 9m9 minutes ago More BREAKING | Thursday night is now a DOUBLE HEADER: Stars v Poole 7.30 plus Stars v Rye House. COME AND BACK US AS WE BATTLE TO BEAT THE DROP! This could throw up a whole can of worms :- 15 heats or 10? Will Lynn have full team vs Rye? Will Poole rider guest for Lynn if necessary cos of injury (hopefully not needed)? Does this mean there will actually be relegation/promotion at the end of the season? This could run and run

There is of course another aspect to all this. Will Somerset be fined for fielding an understrength side? That might be seen as unfair as they had done all they could to ensure a full team. What effect will this have on paying customers (was a very big crowd from all accounts) who are not regulars, will they be impressed....I doubt it. That will affect Swindon and possibly Somerset in the future. A team down to 4 riders has happened twice now in the space of a week. After last week at Lynn folk were saying it couldn't happen again!. Injuries cannot be accounted for that's accepted but whose responsibility is it to ensure fans see a full team performing on track. It could be argued that Somerset should have ensured there was a bike available for a guest to use, or Swindon (of the staging club of a double header) should ensure machinery is available or should the onus be on the rider. Whichever it is the long suffering paying customer is the one that suffers. Maybe double headers should only be allowed if a substitute Guest rider is on standby and also spare machinery, provided by the staging club. Personally I'd ban double headers, they should not be needed in an 8 team league with 24 weeks to fit fixtures into.

I don't disagree that years ago the speedway world was better ..it was certainly different However we live in today's world. A world where some, and I emphasis some, riders seem happy for any excuse not to ride on a track they don't like for whatever reason. Fans who pay good money deserve to know that everything that can be done to provide the paid for entertainment will be done. If that means going thro all the disciplinary route so be it. It's nothing personal against Bjerre, I do not know enough about him to form an opinion as to his trust, belief or integrity. I'd say the same whoever the rider.

The problem with giving him a "bit of slack" is it sets a precedent. It opens up the door for any rider in the future to refuse to ride because he has no usable equipment. He should be reported, the SCB should consider all the evidence and make a ruling. If they decide his actions were justified and no further action is taken - fine. That at least would mean in the future any rider refusing to ride would know his actions would be subject to scrutiny. If no action is taken I can foresee a scenario where a rider considers a track to be dangerous, has no medical issue so cannot get a certificate but somehow manages to render his bike unusable and refuses to ride. That must never be allowed to happen.

I did say supposedly lol

I don't disagree about double headers, never liked them. If speedway were an amateur sport my views would be different but it's not it is supposedly professional. In Which case all concerned must act professionally. Holder didn't in that notorious meeting, faced disciplinary action and was banned and fined. Bjerre should face the same, if the panel then find extenuating circumstances covered by evidence he may well face lesser or no action. I have no problem with that.

Well he allegedly lent one of his bikes to his brother, so it's not as if he didn't have the equipment. Fans should be able to rely on riders honouring their commitments. You wouldn't be happy if a copper turned up to arrest someone then said sorry I can't I lent my handcuffs to my brother.

Agreed.